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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    I don't agree that the money is being spent on trivia; it is being spent on the general household needs of poor families, but that isn't what it is designed for. Let's be clear, it isn't designed for what you put it to either.
    Where did you get that from? Some of us do have extra household costs due to our disabilities.

    There is no law to say what pip / dla has to be spent on.
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    These stories are always quite fishy and are always reported mainly by left wing media to try and smear conservatives and encourage more benefits pending.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Where did you get that from? Some of us do have extra household costs due to our disabilities.

    There is no law to say what pip / dla has to be spent on.
    Of course some people have extra household costs, but, partcularly in the case of juvenile DLA claimants, their parents frequently don't have significant extra costs

    There is no law to say what it has to be spent on, but there is government policy going back from PIP through DLA, Attendance Allowance and Constant Attendance Allowance that it is for the additional costs of disability.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Of course some people have extra household costs, but, partcularly in the case of juvenile DLA claimants, their parents frequently don't have significant extra costs

    There is no law to say what it has to be spent on, but there is government policy going back from PIP through DLA, Attendance Allowance and Constant Attendance Allowance that it is for the additional costs of disability.
    However, their parents may have to give up work reduce their hours. Their child may because home more (as I was) due to their disability, therefore, they may have extra heating costs.
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    (Original post by Ladbants)
    These stories are always quite fishy and are always reported mainly by left wing media to try and smear conservatives and encourage more benefits pending.
    You mean like the Daily Mail

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-rejected.html
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    However, their parents may have to give up work reduce their hours. Their child may because home more (as I was) due to their disability, therefore, they may have extra heating costs.
    I would venture to suggest that you are massively untypical of most juvenile DLA recipients.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    I would venture to suggest that you are massively untypical of most juvenile DLA recipients.
    Why? Do you not think a large majority of working parents cut hours to support children with disabilities?
    And if they don’t specialised childcare costs more
    You seem to think the conditions you’ve listed are trivial. They’re not.
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    (Original post by Sammylou40)
    Why? Do you not think a large majority of working parents cut hours to support children with disabilities?
    No I don't. i think very few parents adjust their working hours to deal with a child with autism, ADHD, learning disabilities and asthma which comprise the vast majority of all disabled children in the UK.
    And if they don’t specialised childcare costs more
    If specialist childcare is being engaged, which I would suggest it very rarely is.

    Let's say you have a couple with a disabled child of 4 and a non-disabled child of 2.

    How many fewer hours are that couple working than an equivalent family with a non-disabled child of 4 and a non-disabled child of 2?






    You seem to think the conditions you’ve listed are trivial. They’re not.
    They are not trivial but they are inexpensive.
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    (Original post by Sammylou40)
    Why? Do you not think a large majority of working parents cut hours to support children with disabilities?
    And if they don’t specialised childcare costs more
    You seem to think the conditions you’ve listed are trivial. They’re not.
    Exactly. I have friends with disabled children who can only work term time because of the lack of suitable childcare.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    No I don't. i think very few parents adjust their working hours to deal with a child with autism, ADHD, learning disabilities and asthma which comprise the vast majority of all disabled children in the UK..
    Many of those children will also have other disabilities too.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    I am not saying "no", but:

    • You are turning your back on the working disabled
    • The costs associated with physically disabled children can be very high
    • There would be a very big fall off in income for the disabled in attaining pension age
    • There remains the tension in ESA whether it is a "day by day" or long term benefit
    • It turns a non-means tested into a means-tested benefit
    • There is also a tension in ESA whether it should address employability or misfortune. Cameron when PM took up as local MP the cause of some ex-seviceman who had lost his leg on active service and had "rightly" been turned down for ESA. One could well think "Douglas Bader flew Spitires with tin legs; why can't you push a pen?" The relapsing alcoholic or heroin addict is almost certainly unemployable
    I really don’t care about the costs they are minuscule compared to what the government spends over all and there is a principal involved with how we treat people who aren’t likely to be employed whilst they qualify for disability benefits.
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    I really don’t care about the costs they are minuscule compared to what the government spends over all and there is a principal involved with how we treat people who aren’t likely to be employed whilst they qualify for disability benefits.
    What I mean is that your proposal just takes money out of the hands of the children whom Tiger Rag is fighting for. If you get rid of DLA/PIP and add it on to ESA, severely disabled children now get nothing because they aren't claiming ESA.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    What I mean is that your proposal just takes money out of the hands of the children whom Tiger Rag is fighting for. If you get rid of DLA/PIP and add it on to ESA, severely disabled children now get nothing because they aren't claiming ESA.
    I don’t really follow the point.

    We can simply have a benefit just for children or allow children to claim esa or simply provide everything that child would need such as home modifications.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Many of those children will also have other disabilities too.
    Some of them do, but not so many. Even in a parental survey which is likely to overstate disabilities through misunderstanding the question, only about 10% claim any visual impairment (and many of these will simply be children who wear glasses where the survey answer should have been "no" and under 30% claim mobility problems (and again the question will be misunderstood and the answers given about children where there are behavioral difficulties in mobilising)
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    (Original post by paul514)
    I don’t really follow the point.

    We can simply have a benefit just for children or allow children to claim esa or simply provide everything that child would need such as home modifications.
    Yes we can, but that isn't what you suggested.

    You suggested the way to deal with the problems of PIP/DLA was to roll it into ESA. I was highlighting that the problem of child claimants was one, but only one, of the drawbacks to doing so.

    It is lot easier to pick holes in the system, as almost every sensible contribution to the thread has being doing, that to create a better system.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Yes we can, but that isn't what you suggested.

    You suggested the way to deal with the problems of PIP/DLA was to roll it into ESA. I was highlighting that the problem of child claimants was one, but only one, of the drawbacks to doing so.
    I was highlighting we should just give people who aren’t able to work through disability more money and scrap PIP.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Exactly. I have friends with disabled children who can only work term time because of the lack of suitable childcare.
    And if the children were not disabled, would the parents have been able to work through the holidays?
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    (Original post by Ladbants)
    These stories are always quite fishy and are always reported mainly by left wing media to try and smear conservatives and encourage more benefits pending.
    Are you asserting that this in fact, pardon the term, 'fake news' and this lady infact did not die then?

    Let us look at an alternative theory to your cute one though, that in fact no smearing of the reactionary tub thumpers is actually required due to you all being thoroughly slimey and thus there is no need to 'smear conservatives'
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    Sickening. The "sanctioning" aka punishment system needs to go.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    And if the children were not disabled, would the parents have been able to work through the holidays?
    The difference being SPECIALISED child care
    What is very clear from your posts is that you have extensive knowledge of the system and zero experience of living with a disability
 
 
 
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