Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
    • Thread Starter
    Online

    10
    ReputationRep:
    I never understood why there's 2:1 and 2:2? Why not just called it second and third honours, and the current third moved to fourth. If there a reason for this?

    Minor thing but it was just a random question that came into my mind, and I'm sure to many others.
    Posted on the TSR App. Download from Apple or Google Play
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by BurstChaos1)
    and I'm sure to many others.
    nah
    • Very Important Poster
    • Welcome Squad
    Offline

    21
    ReputationRep:
    Very Important Poster
    Welcome Squad
    They are called second-class honours though, it's just split into two divisions.

    Upper 2nd = 2:1
    Lower 2nd = 2:2 (or a Desmond)

    Third is still a third-class.
    Offline

    9
    ReputationRep:
    2:1 is higher than a 2:2 but lower than a first. If you look at it as a “a plus , a minus scenario “
    Posted on the TSR App. Download from Apple or Google Play
    • Thread Starter
    Online

    10
    ReputationRep:
    I know about the 2:1 and 2:2 but it's strange because I don't think any of the other honours grades are split like that. It just seems and feels weird.
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    It is for historical reasons There was a time when grades meant very little or were less important. For example, Earl Halsbury got a fourth in the Greats yet became one of the most famed lawyers of his generation. Many more great minds took thirds and seconds, and relatively few took firsts. Back to judges again, there was a famous rivalry between Atkin, Bankes (both took seconds) and Scrutton (who took two firsts). Scrutton thought he was intellectually superior because of his firsts; nowadays a first would not distinguish you. But with the poor scum going to university and competing with the aristocracy and the sons of merchants, academic performance and grades became more important.

    Soon the second became a touchstone for proven academic ability and a third meant you were something of an idiot. Still, too many near-first people were grouped in the second class with near-third people, hence there was a push to divide the second class without forcing people into the dreaded third. As with most eccentric British customs, it was the result of an old tradition fixed in a hurry.
    • Thread Starter
    Online

    10
    ReputationRep:
    Thank you; I had a feeling it was due to a historical thing.
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    It was supposed to be 2:2 is lower average and 2:1 is upper average. I can't remember the exact percentages were used to be in each category including 3rd and 1st though
 
 
 
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • Poll
    Would you like to hibernate through the winter months?
    Useful resources
  • See more of what you like on The Student Room

    You can personalise what you see on TSR. Tell us a little about yourself to get started.

  • The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

    Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

    Quick reply
    Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.