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    (Original post by muzi123)
    Excellent reply but what I meant in terms of unique is the way God is described in the Quran is a God free from imperfection .

    Now I do not mean this is an offensive way please don't take it wrong this is not my intention. But some attributes given to God in the old testament are imperfect e.g

    God repenting and regretting he made man

    This means God is not all knowing

    Thank you. I won't take anything in an offensive way. It's great to be able to discuss these things.

    The Quran says ‘Every living thing on the earth will die, but his face is eternal’ (55:26-27).

    Looking at the verse above, would you therefore say Allah is a man because he is described with having face? Or 'Allah does not love those who reject Islam (30:45)', is Allah emotional which is another human attribute.

    Allah heard the conversation between a divorced woman and Mohammed (58:1). He hears and sees everything (4:134), does Allah have eyes and ears?

    The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30). Allah was in the fire and all around it (27:8). Was Allah walking on earth?

    His hands are outstretched (5:64)

    There are many more examples where Allah is given human attributes.

    The mistake is to interpret the bible as if God were a man. We know God is spirit but throughout scripture we read human/physical attributes being applied to God.

    The body parts are not as literal descriptions of God, but metaphorical - they do not apply to God in the same way they apply to humans, "anthropomorphisms".

    The phrase pathetic fallacy is a literary term for the attributing of human emotion and conduct to all aspects within nature. It is a kind of personification that is found in poetic writing when, for example, clouds seem sullen, when leaves dance, or when rocks seem indifferent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

    God is all knowing because God is before us in time as well as in the past and present, God is able to do this because, as we understand in our limited understanding, God is spirit and eternal, from the beginning to the end. God already knows the ending. God knows all of our lives, from before conception he knew us.
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    But for it to be a god is must have some god like attributes?

    Let's just ignore omnipotence, omniscience etc and say that any God must at least meet the basic criteria of being the first mover. Would you agree with that?
    Unless you are a mystic or a negativist that thinks to apply human linguistic concepts to the Absolute is always necessarily inadequate and so mistaken.
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    you will find the true religion, where you think you GOD is their and to empower your faith
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    Thank you. I won't take anything in an offensive way. It's great to be able to discuss these things.

    The Quran says ‘Every living thing on the earth will die, but his face is eternal’ (55:26-27).

    Looking at the verse above, would you therefore say Allah is a man because he is described with having face? Or 'Allah does not love those who reject Islam (30:45)', is Allah emotional which is another human attribute.

    Allah heard the conversation between a divorced woman and Mohammed (58:1). He hears and sees everything (4:134), does Allah have eyes and ears?

    The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30). Allah was in the fire and all around it (27:8). Was Allah walking on earth?

    His hands are outstretched (5:64)

    There are many more examples where Allah is given human attributes.

    The mistake is to interpret the bible as if God were a man. We know God is spirit but throughout scripture we read human/physical attributes being applied to God.

    The body parts are not as literal descriptions of God, but metaphorical - they do not apply to God in the same way they apply to humans, "anthropomorphisms".

    The phrase pathetic fallacy is a literary term for the attributing of human emotion and conduct to all aspects within nature. It is a kind of personification that is found in poetic writing when, for example, clouds seem sullen, when leaves dance, or when rocks seem indifferent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

    God is all knowing because God is before us in time as well as in the past and present, God is able to do this because, as we understand in our limited understanding, God is spirit and eternal, from the beginning to the end. God already knows the ending. God knows all of our lives, from before conception he knew us.
    Would you mind if I answer this please?
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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    Would you mind if I answer this please?
    Who are you asking , I don't mind if muzi123 doesn't.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    Who are you asking , I don't mind if muzi123 doesn't.
    I was asking you, seeing as you have made a point. Nonetheless I will wait for their reply before I answer.
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    (Original post by reynalyn)
    you will find the true religion, where you think you GOD is their and to empower your faith
    ? Not quite sure what you mean. If it's all about YOU then you have created a religion to suit you. Knowing God doesn't always suit you because you, me, us are all fallible.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    Thank you. I won't take anything in an offensive way. It's great to be able to discuss these things.

    The Quran says ‘Every living thing on the earth will die, but his face is eternal’ (55:26-27).

    Looking at the verse above, would you therefore say Allah is a man because he is described with having face? Or 'Allah does not love those who reject Islam (30:45)', is Allah emotional which is another human attribute.

    Allah heard the conversation between a divorced woman and Mohammed (58:1). He hears and sees everything (4:134), does Allah have eyes and ears?

    The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30). Allah was in the fire and all around it (27:8). Was Allah walking on earth?

    His hands are outstretched (5:64)

    There are many more examples where Allah is given human attributes.

    The mistake is to interpret the bible as if God were a man. We know God is spirit but throughout scripture we read human/physical attributes being applied to God.

    The body parts are not as literal descriptions of God, but metaphorical - they do not apply to God in the same way they apply to humans, "anthropomorphisms".

    The phrase pathetic fallacy is a literary term for the attributing of human emotion and conduct to all aspects within nature. It is a kind of personification that is found in poetic writing when, for example, clouds seem sullen, when leaves dance, or when rocks seem indifferent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

    God is all knowing because God is before us in time as well as in the past and present, God is able to do this because, as we understand in our limited understanding, God is spirit and eternal, from the beginning to the end. God already knows the ending. God knows all of our lives, from before conception he knew us.

    Sorry for late reply . I am not online much maybe I might respond in another couple of days.

    1.The correct approach is to affirm the meaning in a real sense, without likening Him to His creation, as Allah said of Himself in the Qur’an (interpretation of the meaning): There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer”

    So Allah has a face but not like our face . Face by the word is the same but it is outside our imagination to comprehend what that face actually is we are judging based on what we see of a face but we cannot apply that to God as he is transcendent there is nothing like him.


    2. The attributes of Allah are different from creation only by NAME THEY ARE SAME not by degree . Allah's love is unique separate from creation we cannot imagine what that love is. He is the source of love so off course he is loving. Does not the Bible even say God hates some people aswell.


    3. Allah's hearing seeing is different . Allah sees hears everything we do not not. Our hearing seeing is limited. Allah does not see with eyes and does not hear with ears like humans do . Also, we do not know HOW Allah sees hears but that does not negate the fact he hears and sees everything. Its a different type of seeing ours has limitations and we see through human eyes Allah's is unique transcendent

    4.. "Was Allah walking on earth? " read Genesis that is God who was walking on earth


    Allah was not in the fire no evidence. It was Allah's veil. (If u ask I can go more into detail)


    Now compare this with this verse


    The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.


    So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created--and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground--for I regret that I have made them." Genesis

    This verse points to weakness which is God is not all knowing . However, the attributes of Allah in Quran do not point to human deficiency e.g not all powerful not all knowing etc

    How can God regret that he made man?

    If I buy something then regret it later I bought it that is because I did not have the previous knowledge .
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    Thank you. I won't take anything in an offensive way. It's great to be able to discuss these things.

    The Quran says ‘Every living thing on the earth will die, but his face is eternal’ (55:26-27).

    Looking at the verse above, would you therefore say Allah is a man because he is described with having face? Or 'Allah does not love those who reject Islam (30:45)', is Allah emotional which is another human attribute.

    Allah heard the conversation between a divorced woman and Mohammed (58:1). He hears and sees everything (4:134), does Allah have eyes and ears?

    The voice Moses heard from the burning tree said, “Moses, I am Allah...” (28:30). Allah was in the fire and all around it (27:8). Was Allah walking on earth?

    His hands are outstretched (5:64)

    There are many more examples where Allah is given human attributes.

    The mistake is to interpret the bible as if God were a man. We know God is spirit but throughout scripture we read human/physical attributes being applied to God.

    The body parts are not as literal descriptions of God, but metaphorical - they do not apply to God in the same way they apply to humans, "anthropomorphisms".

    The phrase pathetic fallacy is a literary term for the attributing of human emotion and conduct to all aspects within nature. It is a kind of personification that is found in poetic writing when, for example, clouds seem sullen, when leaves dance, or when rocks seem indifferent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

    God is all knowing because God is before us in time as well as in the past and present, God is able to do this because, as we understand in our limited understanding, God is spirit and eternal, from the beginning to the end. God already knows the ending. God knows all of our lives, from before conception he knew us.

    The body parts are not as literal descriptions of God, but metaphorical - they do not apply to God in the same way they apply to humans, "anthropomorphisms".

    Bible says God has hands aswell
    I agree with u they do not apply to God in the same way they apply to humans yes!
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    (Original post by muzi123)
    This post is only directed at a certain type of people those who ...


    1. Believe in God
    2.Searching for the true purpose of life that which God has sent down .

    The heart is what makes difference, between believing and not believing. To really see the truth, as clear as the sun,


    1. One should cleanse his heart first, from diseases and impurities that may affect it, like : arrogance and pride, anger and hatred, earthly desires and interests, etc.


    2. Sincerity from heart - This is what it all boils down to . One should fill his heart with sincere will to seek truth, with justice and objectivity, with respect for others and for other ideas.


    3. Guidance Asking God for guidance from the bottom of your heart to show you the true religion. This can be done by raising your hands to him or prostrating to him etc.

    The above is the spiritual side .

    Now intellectual side is ..



    4. Compare arguments for all religions and based upon your sincerity see which appeals to your mind and heart.



    To make your task easier religions which you can put aside are ...

    1. Those which do not have an idea of God ( Buddhism, Jainism)

    2. Those which do not even claim to be from God .

    3. Those religions which do not have any scripture to begin with ( Santeria)

    4. Those which are not universal religions (Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism )

    5. Those religions which are based upon blind faith with no reason given to believe.

    6. Those religions which say you can have your own way to God. ( Sikhism)

    7. Illogical concept of God e.g (Many Gods)


    etc

    Applying the above 7 we are left with 2 dominating faiths which are Christianity and Islam .

    You decide which is the truth .

    If anyone is looking for the truth message me I will give u my reasons why I believe Islam is the true religion from God.

    1. Logical concept of God

    2. Universal

    3. Miracles of Quran / Unique Aspects

    4. Miracle in the Kalimah

    etc

    Atheists no point commenting I will not waste my time on you
    If you follow a religion, the maybe there are 3- Buddhism.

    If not, then maybe you will become aware and spiritual.
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    I followed those steps whilst doing some soul searching, which led me to Jesus Christ. Islam tells you what you should do for Allah, whereas in Christianity it's about what Christ can do for you. I don't believe in religion, and prefer having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ instead.
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    (Original post by muzi123)
    This post is only directed at a certain type of people those who ...

    1. Believe in God
    2.Searching for the true purpose of life that which God has sent down .

    . . .

    Atheists no point commenting I will not waste my time on you
    Your mind has been incredibly limited by someone or something. I encourage you to open your heart wide and throw off any and all limitations. God is many things and will never be limited to the kind of chained definition you outline.

    Further more, asking others not to comment is also extremely limiting and an act of fear and insecurity. It stems from worries of having those views analysed on a public forum and maybe not being able to suitably substantiate them. I mean this in no hurtful way.

    The more open we are, the more we feel able to challenge what we are told, and even what we think we already know, the more we learn and progress.
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    (Original post by Golden State)
    I followed those steps whilst doing some soul searching, which led me to Jesus Christ. Islam tells you what you should do for Allah, whereas in Christianity it's about what Christ can do for you. I don't believe in religion, and prefer having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ instead.
    I thought you were an atheist.
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    (Original post by bobby147)
    I thought you were an atheist.
    I was until recently.
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    snowflake atheists getting triggered tonight
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    The bible says ........"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God," (Isaiah 45:5)


    The Bible says more than this Racoon. Look again and understand it from the meanings of the original terms

    Deuteronomy 10:17
    "17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:"
    Note the terms here. He is a God of gods, plural. He is A great God rather than just THE great god.

    In other versions of the Bible the Gods are referred to as "Elohim", this being a plural word of which the singular would be just El.

    It is clear then that the Bible tells us there were many Gods but that your God wanted to be the one people worshiped.

    What follows is a discussion extract I found elsewhere that explains all this, I suspect it is from a Jewish perspective:

    - - - - -

    For Israel, the phrase “our God” (as expressed by Jews today in what is termed the Shema, quoting Deuteronomy 6:4) implies other gods. YHWH is their God, but other gods did in fact exist.
    Hear, O Israel:
    The LORD our God is one LORD
    This is best understood when the proper divine terms are inserted (which I do throughout this lecture):
    YHWH our Elohim is one YHWH

    •Deuteronomy 6:4, Shema

    The Shema applies to YHWH only. And yet other Elohim are implied because YHWH is “our Elohim.” otherwise why does Moses bother mentioning it at all? It is obvious that there are other Elohim as we will see as we proceed. Look at the whole verse:
    “Hear, O Israel:
    YHWH our Elohim is one YHWH:
    And you shall love
    YHWH your Elohim
    with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.

    •Deuteronomy 6:4–5

    Christ in Mark 12:29–30 uses this verse to powerful effect in answering a question as to what was the primary commandment.

    Further on in Deuteronomy Elohim other than YHWH again are implied.

    “For YHWH your Elohim [indicating that other people have other gods] is Elohi of Elohim, and Adoni of Adonim [KJV: “Lord of Lords”],
    a great El, a mighty [El], and a terrible [El], which regards not persons, nor takes reward.”

    Note that both the singular and plural usage of Elohim are in the same context. Other Elohim exist, they are real, and can be served, and bowed down to.

    3 Singular and plural are used purposefully. Note the categories:

    YHWH is singular in form. He (God the Father) is the El of Elohim (Joshua 22:22).
    •El is singular in form.
    •Eloah is singular in form. This term is used only in poetry.
    •Elohim is plural in form although it is most often singular in use.
    •Elohi is plural in form.
    •Elim is plural in form and it is a contraction of Elohim

    --------------------------------

    So, many gods or Elohim (plural) exist. One such God asked for followers to worship no other god but him.
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    (Original post by bobby147)
    I thought you were an atheist.
    I'm more of a buffet Christian rather than a literalist one. The reason I picked Christianity is because I like the teachings of Jesus, and the overriding message of the New Testament. I view religion as more of a philosophy, and feel that it should be progressive and open to criticism, and that other people should be free to practice their faith, or be free from religion.
 
 
 
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