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    You first upload a nude to Facebook Messenger. Then, you flag it as a "non-consensual intimate image" for Facebook.

    The social network then stores the photos "for a period of time", and builds what is referred to as a "hash" of the image, meaning it creates a unique fingerprint for the file.

    On a technical note, AFAIK, these hashes rely on transforms such as complete desaturation, downsampling, and analysis of the differences between nearby pixels. So changing a pixel here and there probably wouldn't fool the system, without knowing the algorithm.

    I doubt many Facebook employees would have access to Facebook's copies of the nudes - certainly they will be encrypted - but I wonder what kind of legal issues this might lead to (what about all the under-18s sending nudes to each other?).

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    I think this is a poor idea. If it were to take off, you can be sure there would be loads of spoof sites popping up mascaraing as facebook drawing in vulnerable people.

    For all the tech giants are harping on about AI and how it is going to take everyone's jobs in the next 20 years, all the AI I have seen is generally [email protected] I did a Google photo search of my photos today looking for pictures of canals. Amongst the odd picture of a canal, there was a picture of a bench, lakes, rivers, woods - basically more "not" canals than canals.

    It is impressive to an extent, but if you were judging a small child on it being able to spot pictures of canals, you would definitely put the Google child in the category of someone who had a severe learning disability.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I think this is a poor idea. If it were to take off, you can be sure there would be loads of spoof sites popping up mascaraing as facebook drawing in vulnerable people.
    The type of person to fall for that is also the type of person who increasingly only accesses the internet through website-specific apps on their phones.

    For all the tech giants are harping on about AI and how it is going to take everyone's jobs in the next 20 years, all the AI I have seen is generally [email protected] I did a Google photo search of my photos today looking for pictures of canals. Amongst the odd picture of a canal, there was a picture of a bench, lakes, rivers, woods - basically more "not" canals than canals.
    This doesn't really utilise machine learning, not fundamentally at least.

    It is impressive to an extent, but if you were judging a small child on it being able to spot pictures of canals, you would definitely put the Google child in the category of someone who had a severe learning disability.
    I would be extremely impressed if Google had perfected AI up to the level of even a small disabled child.
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    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
    The type of person to fall for that is also the type of person who increasingly only accesses the internet through website-specific apps on their phones.

    This doesn't really utilise machine learning, not fundamentally at least.

    I would be extremely impressed if Google had perfected AI up to the level of even a small disabled child.
    I think it unfair to make assumptions on who gets caught out by fraud. It happens to everyone and anyone. Many people who end up losing lots of money are generally pretty savy. Unfortunately, the scammers are more savy.

    As for AI - lots in the news recently about how it is going to put us all out of work. I am not convinced. Even self driving cars aren't that clever. The thing they have now that they didn't have in the days of self driving cars on Tomorrow's World in the 90s is miniaturisation, GPS and Google maps. Everything else is pretty much as good as it was back then.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I think it unfair to make assumptions on who gets caught out by fraud. It happens to everyone and anyone. Many people who end up losing lots of money are generally pretty savy. Unfortunately, the scammers are more savy.
    If looking like a website is enough to convince you that you that it is that website, convinced enough to send them nudes, then you are not tech savvy.

    To fall for a fake facebook website, you'd have to arrive at that website first.

    That means you:
    - didn't type "facebook.com" into your browser
    - used a search engine to search for "facebook"
    - ignored the first result
    - ignored the first page or two of results that are all variations of XXX.facebook.com or XXX.fb.com
    - clicked on "fakebook.ch" or something

    Or you have malware on your side redirecting you to other IPs, or your ISP has gone rogue, but then you have much bigger issues.

    As for AI ... The thing they have now that they didn't have in ... the 90s is miniaturisation, GPS and Google maps. Everything else is pretty much as good as it was back then.
    :rofl:

    Tech has advanced staggeringly much since the 90s, and you are utterly deluded if you think otherwise.
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    The best way you can avoid becoming a victim of "revenge porn" is by not sharing sexually explicit images of yourself in the first place.

    Facebook's request is rather sinister.
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    (Original post by RivalPlayer)
    The best way you can avoid becoming a victim of "revenge porn" is by not sharing sexually explicit images of yourself in the first place.

    Facebook's request is rather sinister.
    It is no more sinister than the rest of it.

    Facebook is seeking to encroach more and more into your life, to become central to the way everyone interacts with one another, in all forms.

    Honestly, if you want to send (someone who you don't trust) nudes, then you would be better off using Facebook's system.
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    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)

    Or you have malware on your side redirecting you to other IPs, or your ISP has gone rogue, but then you have much bigger issues.



    :rofl:

    Tech has advanced staggeringly much since the 90s, and you are utterly deluded if you think otherwise.
    Or malware is installed on your PC. At which point you basically lose control of what is reality and what is not. There is also the proliferation of phishing attacks that are ever more realistic. Even two stage authentication has been hacked by convincing your phone provider to switch your number to a different SIM.

    Yes - tech has improved a lot since the 90s. But AI? Nah. I was learning about neural networks when I was at university in 95. It hasn't come on that far. I learned last week that changing a single pixel of image recognition software is enough to throw it most of the time.

    The only thing that has changed in the last 20 years is that uses for AI have finally emerged i.e. advertising. And even then, as the US election has shown (fake news) it is completely hopeless at making anything like a meaningful judgement call.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Or malware is installed on your PC. At which point you basically lose control of what is reality and what is not.
    If you can get malware on their computer redirecting your traffic, then nudes are the least of your worries. I'd be concerned about banking etc. And wouldn't it be far easier for the malware to directly skim your harddrive for nudes (e.g. by looking for image files of sizes similar to phone cameras that were deleted shortly after creation) than to create a clone of Facebook to redirect calls to?

    There is also the proliferation of phishing attacks that are ever more realistic. Even two stage authentication has been hacked by convincing your phone provider to switch your number to a different SIM.
    Oh yes, some things are surprisingly easy to gain access to. But you don't have to be tech savvy to do the SIM thing, it isn't a hack, it is social engineering, exploiting company procedures, and nowhere does it rely on fooling the victim - whether or not you are victim of an attack which exploits your provider is largely out of your control. Completely different to phishing.

    Yes - tech has improved a lot since the 90s. But AI? Nah. I was learning about neural networks when I was at university in 95. It hasn't come on that far. I learned last week that changing a single pixel of image recognition software is enough to throw it most of the time/
    I saw that too, and it was a dishonest title.

    Changing the same pixel in all the images you feed image recognition software should indeed change the results.


    The only thing that has changed in the last 20 years is that uses for AI have finally emerged i.e. advertising. And even then, as the US election has shown (fake news) it is completely hopeless at making anything like a meaningful judgement call.
    Do you not count the *massively* increased processing and storage capacity, and availability of data, as a change?
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    I can see the logic in it, and their methodology does make more level of sense - I’m not sure how many people would be trusting enough of such a system to actually make use of it though.
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    "If your want to send someone nudes who you don't trust"...revenge porn specifically implies it was your ex who uploaded it.

    What we need is much, much more severe criminal punishment for online activity. Some ******* is gonna think twice before uploading something if he faces years in prison.
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    (Original post by RivalPlayer)
    The best way you can avoid becoming a victim of "revenge porn" is by not sharing sexually explicit images of yourself in the first place.

    Facebook's request is rather sinister.
    Maybe that's their angle. People get creeped out at the idea of Facebook seeing their pictures and decide against sending them out over the Internet. Problem solved.
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      (Original post by Dez)
      Maybe that's their angle. People get creeped out at the idea of Facebook seeing their pictures and decide against sending them out over the Internet. Problem solved.
      lol

      People will never be creeped out by Facebook



      Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

      Zuck: Just ask.

      Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

      [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

      Zuck: People just submitted it.

      Zuck: I don't know why.

      Zuck: They "trust me"

      Zuck: Dumb ****s.
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      (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
      It is no more sinister than the rest of it.

      Facebook is seeking to encroach more and more into your life, to become central to the way everyone interacts with one another, in all forms.

      Honestly, if you want to send (someone who you don't trust) nudes, then you would be better off using Facebook's system.
      I think we should be discouraging the sending of sexually explicit images across social media. Facebook is asking its users to do the opposite with its "send it to us because we're the good guys" request. It sends out the wrong message.

      Nobody really knows what goes on behind the scenes at Facebook once such an image is submitted. The image could find its way on to the dark web or an obscure porn site and the user would be none the wiser.

      I'm of the belief that once you've uploaded an image of yourself onto a social media platform, you've lost control over how that image is distrubuted. As for users under 18, is Facebook gonna ask children to submit a sexually explicit image of themselves to its platform in order to "protect" them? If that's the case, then the platform that aims "to bring the world closer together" would also be handling child porn.
     
     
     
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