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    (Original post by A'OK)
    This isn't really the point though. Everyone knows most "Christians" are not even religious but only on paper say they're Christian but those who are deeply religious Christman is certainly more than just a holiday to relax, it's a religious celebration and whether it's culture or not the festival itself is rooted in Christianity and Muslims do not take part in it, or should not take part in it..
    They can partake in whatever they want. As has been said previously, those crying about this are often the ones who seem to deride Muslims for not integrating well into society here so it seems hypocritical to then get upset about this.

    Incidentally, to flip your point around, I daresay those Muslims who are deeply religious won't take part. Those who are less so probably will.

    The point is, it's dependent on how extreme your religious views are. The vast majority of people however, won't care who partakes in X religious/cultural festival. It's only extreme Christians or Muslims who will get upset. Thankfully that isn't the majority of either, so most people won't care enough to get worked up over something so trivial.

    (Original post by A'OK)
    The advert is deliberately trying to portray Muslims as throwing their religion out the window to have a jolly old knees up and celebrate a Christian event when in fact the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not celebrate it so it's painting Muslims, the overwhelming majority of which do not celebrate it, in a bad light.
    No I think it's pointing to the commercialised nature of the holiday, such that literally anyone and everyone celebrates it now. Christian, atheist, Sikh, Muslim...it's an excuse to to get together with family and have a good time, irrespective of religious overtones. As I've said, if a Muslim is fine celebrating it, then who is to say they can't?

    (Original post by A'OK)
    How do you think Christians would feel if an Tesco advert showed Christians wearing crosses going to eid al adha where they sacrifice animals in the spirit of Abraham who sacrificed his son to god... It certainly would not go down well among the Christian community because they wouldn't want to be associated with such a celebration.
    I imagine only extreme Christians would care, and sure, that part of the Christian community would cry. However, by your own words, 'most Christians aren't religious'. Thus, I don't think most would actually care, so we can disregard this scenario.

    (Original post by A'OK)
    The same goes for Muslims and Christmas, most do not celebrate it, most do not want to be associated with it and quite frankly that advert is probably using fake Muslims for actors.
    You nothing to back up any of those claims so I'll ignore this as nonsense too.
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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    And what exactly would that achieve?
    Peace? Harmony? Tolerance?
    The less "different" we feel, and perceive others to be, the more of the above there will be.
    It really is quite simple.
    Merry Xmas, Eid Mubarak and Happy Hanukkah!
    You don't have to have a drink if I don't have to rape a slave. Happy?
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    Given how commercial the holiday is, and the fact that vast numbers of atheists also celebrate it, are we really going to kick up a fuss over the fact that Muslims can celebrate it too? It's worth noting too, that people seem to be criticised for not integrating with things, and now are also being criticised for doing so, is there really a way for anyone to win there?
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    (Original post by karanight)
    No idea what you're talking about. I mentioned the qur'an because there's a misconception that muslims will integrate with none muslims. Faithful muslims will not do that.
    Don't forget 60:4...
    Abraham and those with him are the best examples for you to follow. They told the people, "We have nothing to do with you and with those whom you worship besides God. We have rejected you. Enmity and hatred will separate us forever unless you believe in One God."
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
    Absolute nonsense. N o n s e n s e. Christmas in the UK is barely religious and is the most commercialised ‘festival’ in the western world. It’s about getting together with the family to spend time and eat good food. Share gifts with one another and to just relax. How often do you hear of people saying thanks to God before eating their Christmas meal?

    Let me tell you, it’s not many. I’m an atheist and I still take part in the festivities, because, due to commercialisation it’s not religious and is more a part of our culture as a people and our identity as a family. We all have traditions and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong in embracing that. Also, it is of note that Christ is believed to be a prophet of God in Islam, so what’s the harm in celebrating his birthday as a Muslim? There isn’t any.

    You write as if you’re a Muslim, if you are and you’re offended by this then you really need to find a better use of your time. Goodness me.

    Nonsense.
    Not entirely nonsense.
    To the majority of "cultural" Muslims, joining in with the seanonal festivities is not an issue. However, there is the vocal minority who will not only reject such behaviour, but censure their fellow Muslims who don't do the same.
    All you have to do is go onto TSR ISOC and ask if it's ok to celebrate Christmas with non-Muslims and see what kind of response you get!
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Not entirely nonsense.
    To the majority of "cultural" Muslims, joining in with the seanonal festivities is not an issue. However, there is the vocal minority who will not only reject such behaviour, but censure their fellow Muslims who don't do the same.
    All you have to do is go onto TSR ISOC and ask if it's ok to celebrate Christmas with non-Muslims and see what kind of response you get!
    As has already been said, it's up to them what they celebrate, but the blanket statement that muslims cannot or will not take part is nonsense. That's my main point here I think.
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    (Original post by karanight)
    I will NEVER shop in tesco again
    Slight overreaction, perhaps?
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    I get your point, but what's wrong with Muslims being on the advert? Christmas is a religious festival and yet as an atheist, I celebrate it. If atheists celebrate Christmas and Easter, then why can't Muslims? Please don't tell me you're actually worked up over an advert.
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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    I just wanted to mention that you should really check over that again and again. Yes its comparing to the Kuffars, however its something more sinister than that. Please check it again and dont bring random verses of the Holy Quraan in threads which have nothing got to do with them.

    Thank you.
    You know you shouldn't be using that word as it's banned on TSR.

    Even the CT said it in your own ISOC thread before you tell me I'm making things up
    https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...postcount=4587
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
    As has already been said, it's up to them what they celebrate, but the blanket statement that muslims cannot or will not take part is nonsense. That's my main point here I think.
    Indeed, it is entirely up to them, but strictly doctrinally speaking, they cannot celebrate Christmas, even if they are not recognising Jesus as a deity.
    Luckily, most Muslims in the west are not doctrinally strict! That's why they feel comfortable joining in.

    As usual, these discussions seem to fall foul of the difference between "ideology" and "the behaviour of individuals".
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Peace? Harmony? Tolerance?
    The less "different" we feel, and perceive others to be, the more of the above there will be.
    It really is quite simple.
    Merry Xmas, Eid Mubarak and Happy Hanukkah!
    You don't have to have a drink if I don't have to rape a slave. Happy?

    Course but to constantly put Islam down and in the frame for the wrong reasons would not bring about Peace Harmony and Tolerance. In fact it would do the opposite. You forgot Happy Diwali. I dont drink anyways so thats flawed.
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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    Course but to constantly put Islam down and in the frame for the wrong reasons would not bring about Peace Harmony and Tolerance.
    So as long as it is for the right reasons, we're ok?

    You forgot Happy Diwali.
    I was sticking to the Abrahamics, otherwise we could have been here all day - but yes, right back atcha.

    I dont drink anyways so thats flawed.
    And I won't expect you to.
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    Who really gives a single shite?
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    (Original post by QE2)
    So as long as it is for the right reasons, we're ok?

    I was sticking to the Abrahamics, otherwise we could have been here all day - but yes, right back atcha.

    And I won't expect you to.
    Course. You cant just leave the other religions out! Thats not nice.

    Hah thats one less headache.
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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    And what exactly would that achieve?
    I'm just saying that it's nice to see some Muslims who aren't as dogmatically strict and rigid as expected.
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    (Original post by A'OK)
    You mean the hijab wasn't a big enough give away lol?

    What? So you saying that people who wear hijabs (head scarves) are all Muslim?? There are plenty of people in various cultures who use the head scarf as a fashion accessory or for cultural reasonz
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    (Original post by UWS)
    You know you shouldn't be using that word as it's banned on TSR.

    Even the CT said it in your own ISOC thread before you tell me I'm making things up
    https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho...postcount=4587
    Oops my bad Ill change it now.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    I'm just saying that it's nice to see some Muslims who aren't as dogmatically strict and rigid as expected.
    Thats the thing. In Islam you get the really strict indiviudals and then you have the laymen. I guess its up to individual choices. That said it does not mean the strict Muslims do not interact with other faith on a daily basis.
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    (Original post by Hey_Its_Cerian)
    I get your point, but what's wrong with Muslims being on the advert? Christmas is a religious festival and yet as an atheist, I celebrate it. If atheists celebrate Christmas and Easter, then why can't Muslims? Please don't tell me you're actually worked up over an advert.
    The point is not about being worked up for an advert. The point is that using Muslims in an advert where they do not celeberate such festivals is morally incorrect. Why not just keep it simple and use other individuals who are willing to take part in the advert?

    Yes I know behind the scenes they must of questioned the ladies on if they wanted to participate and they must have replied in the affirmative which does not make it correct in any regards.
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    Crikey this country (and this forum) is fully of professional victims.
 
 
 
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