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    Hello fellow applicants!!! Maybe it is early, but I am already anxious. Where did people apply? Which programs/modules are you trying to do? What are your undergrad degrees?

    I am applying to UCL, Courtauld and Edinburgh. I have a BFA in painting and live in the united states. I feel like I applied a bit early.
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    hello!
    I have applied so far for the courtauld ma history of art. I'm looking to also apply for Oxford and Ucl - although left my Oxford app a little bit late so think I'm being overly ambitious even working on one now. I'm a Ucl history of art grad.
    Which option paper did you apply for at the Courtauld?
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    hello!
    I have applied so far for the courtauld ma history of art. I'm looking to also apply for Oxford and Ucl - although left my Oxford app a little bit late so think I'm

    being overly ambitious even working on one now. I'm a Ucl history of art grad.
    Which option paper did you apply for at the Courtauld?
    I have applied already to UCL and EDinburgh. I plan on doing a medieval module for Courtauld. I just need to finish the writing sample. Hopefully I am not applying too late. Might be another week til I finish. How did u like UCL? Do you think employers would rather see Courtauld on a resume?
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    (Original post by GYPSYSQUID)
    I have applied already to UCL and EDinburgh. I plan on doing a medieval module for Courtauld. I just need to finish the writing sample. Hopefully I am not applying too late. Might be another week til I finish. How did u like UCL? Do you think employers would rather see Courtauld on a resume?
    Is that the Alice Bovey medieval module? I've put that as my second choice, but the early modern Netherlands as my first.
    No I think you're applying in good time, I believe they don't even look at applicants until the January deadline. And then even that seems to be followed by a long wait!
    I really did love UCL and the only thing pushing me away is wanting a bit of a change.
    In regards to Ucl/courtauld reputation for employers, my understanding is that for a career in academic or similar UCL is a far better choice, but for a career in the art world it is the Courtauld which is superior. When I look at anyone's cv for are high up in the "art world", like directors of big museums and galleries, they all seem to have the courtauld MA.
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    Is that the Alice Bovey medieval module? I've put that as my second choice, but the early modern Netherlands as my first.
    No I think you're applying in good time, I believe they don't even look at applicants until the January deadline. And then even that seems to be followed by a long wait!
    I really did love UCL and the only thing pushing me away is wanting a bit of a change.
    In regards to Ucl/courtauld reputation for employers, my understanding is that for a career in academic or similar UCL is a far better choice, but for a career in the art world it is the Courtauld which is superior. When I look at anyone's cv for are high up in the "art world", like directors of big museums and galleries, they all seem to have the courtauld MA.
    Yes the Bovey module. Supernatural middle ages. It looks like something I would be into, the Netherlands module is my second choice. I like how hands on it looks. I might even switch that to my first.

    I plan on becoming a professor eventually. For that I will need a Phd. Unfortunately because I am from the u.s I don't think I can get fully funded for the Phd at Courtauld. So it may be wise to start my network within UCL at the Masters level. I plan on curating for a bit while I get my Phd and see where that takes me. I am definitely going to need the money if I stay in London haha... Do you know of any Phd programs that are reasonable in price, or that fund internationals? Also, what the heck is living like? I have been looking at apartments, camden town doesn't seem too bad in price for a studio.

    Thank you!
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    (Original post by GYPSYSQUID)
    Yes the Bovey module. Supernatural middle ages. It looks like something I would be into, the Netherlands module is my second choice. I like how hands on it looks. I might even switch that to my first.

    I plan on becoming a professor eventually. For that I will need a Phd. Unfortunately because I am from the u.s I don't think I can get fully funded for the Phd at Courtauld. So it may be wise to start my network within UCL at the Masters level. I plan on curating for a bit while I get my Phd and see where that takes me. I am definitely going to need the money if I stay in London haha... Do you know of any Phd programs that are reasonable in price, or that fund internationals? Also, what the heck is living like? I have been looking at apartments, camden town doesn't seem too bad in price for a studio.

    Thank you!
    Yes I really struggled to choose between the two courses; I've heard that both lecturers are fantastic.
    I too want to do a phd! If I'm completely honest I haven't delved my research into it particularly in depth so far bar UCL. I believe UCL history of art offer two international phd funding programmes per year, alongside two UK based ones.

    Whilst at ucl I lived in Camden, it's reasonably priced for central London and is super close to both Ucl and the courtauld. There are places further out that are easy to access Ucl on the underground but travelcards in London are expensive (access to all the tubes etc, not sure how much you know about London living) so I would generally opt to live central.
    To give you an idea of location, generally speaking Ucl students tend to live mostly in Camden, Kings Cross area, Dalston, Belsize Park, Caledonian road, Kentish Town, Holloway.
    Including rent, I don't think it's ridiculous to expect to spend about £13000 on living expenses. Cry 💔
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    Yes I really struggled to choose between the two courses; I've heard that both lecturers are fantastic.
    I too want to do a phd! If I'm completely honest I haven't delved my research into it particularly in depth so far bar UCL. I believe UCL history of art offer two international phd funding programmes per year, alongside two UK based ones.

    Whilst at ucl I lived in Camden, it's reasonably priced for central London and is super close to both Ucl and the courtauld. There are places further out that are easy to access Ucl on the underground but travelcards in London are expensive (access to all the tubes etc, not sure how much you know about London living) so I would generally opt to live central.
    To give you an idea of location, generally speaking Ucl students tend to live mostly in Camden, Kings Cross area, Dalston, Belsize Park, Caledonian road, Kentish Town, Holloway.
    Including rent, I don't think it's ridiculous to expect to spend about £13000 on living expenses. Cry 💔
    hahaha... I was expecting to pay at least 13,000 pounds.which would be like 16,000 usd. Not looking forward to that either my friend, **** is steep, but probably worth it, especially since a masters in the UK is only one year vs. our overpriced two year programs here in the US. So ill just take out a lone for that living cost.

    I imagine we will bump into each other this year whether you are at Courtauld or UCL. It'll be interesting to see where we end up. Have you talked to any of the teachers yet at Courtauld? I haven't done much of that yet.

    I think UCL notifies students on a rolling basis correct (within 6-8 weeks of application submission), is this correct?
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    why is oxfords module selection so limited? They also haven't filled in the Global perspectives portion, which seems to peek my interest a bit more. What did you choose for those?
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    (Original post by GYPSYSQUID)
    why is oxfords module selection so limited? They also haven't filled in the Global perspectives portion, which seems to peek my interest a bit more. What did you choose for those?
    As for teachers at the Courtauld, I haven't spoken to any as of yet but I did attend a talk recently that Alixe Bovey did and she was absolutely fantastic, made me consider her course for my first choice but changed my mind last minute back to Joanna Woodall's.

    I know, so surprised at the Oxford module selection!! I'm going for 'Women Art and Culture in Early Modern Europe' as it sparked my interest, but seems weird there are only three and only two with descriptions thus far.

    I'm still so undecided on my research proposal for the application!

    Do you think you'll apply?
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    As for teachers at the Courtauld, I haven't spoken to any as of yet but I did attend a talk recently that Alixe Bovey did and she was absolutely fantastic, made me consider her course for my first choice but changed my mind last minute back to Joanna Woodall's.

    I know, so surprised at the Oxford module selection!! I'm going for 'Women Art and Culture in Early Modern Europe' as it sparked my interest, but seems weird there are only three and only two with descriptions thus far.

    I'm still so undecided on my research proposal for the application!

    Do you think you'll apply?
    I am totally applying, but it seems a bit difficult... I have no idea what to research about. I have already written three proposals and threw them away because I found that somebody had already wrote extensively on the topics. I am nervous that I won't find an interest in anything that happens to be original. I picked the French painting option, so it narrrows things down a bit... I was thinking about choosing the one you picked as my second. I am pissed that they took the medieval option away for Oxford and UCL.

    -The percentage of getting into the Masters at oxford is about 25 to 30%, maybe higher due to offer rates. So we might be okay, as long as we can come up with something cool in our research, even if it is preliminary. What I don't understand, is why a taught degree is so bent on taking in students who know how to do advanced research. I am a beginner in research my self.

    -I asked them to do a description for their global perspective option. They finally finished it, so you can take a look. That option, although it could be exciting, I am just not feeling it. Those issues will never leave the realm of art, let alone society, I can write about them later (it is a bit too broad).

    -I am glad there is somebody talking on this thread though, it is good to have other anxious people in my life haha...
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    (Original post by GYPSYSQUID)
    I am totally applying, but it seems a bit difficult... I have no idea what to research about. I have already written three proposals and threw them away because I found that somebody had already wrote extensively on the topics. I am nervous that I won't find an interest in anything that happens to be original. I picked the French painting option, so it narrrows things down a bit... I was thinking about choosing the one you picked as my second. I am pissed that they took the medieval option away for Oxford and UCL.

    -The percentage of getting into the Masters at oxford is about 25 to 30%, maybe higher due to offer rates. So we might be okay, as long as we can come up with something cool in our research, even if it is preliminary. What I don't understand, is why a taught degree is so bent on taking in students who know how to do advanced research. I am a beginner in research my self.

    -I asked them to do a description for their global perspective option. They finally finished it, so you can take a look. That option, although it could be exciting, I am just not feeling it. Those issues will never leave the realm of art, let alone society, I can write about them later (it is a bit too broad).

    -I am glad there is somebody talking on this thread though, it is good to have other anxious people in my life haha...
    Completely agree about having people speaking on this thread, I feel like in previous years there is much activity with History of Art MA threads, but seems to be very little this year... just us, apparently, haha. Maybe this will work in our favour, who knows.

    Just looked at the Global Perspectives course - it looks extremely interesting.

    Yes I am certainly struggling with my research proposal, I just wonder how in-depth they need to be. And I'm also unsure whether or not to include anything about myself and achievements - so far I have 300 words on myself/achievements/personal aspirations but I have no clue if this is too much or too little...

    I'm scared they want an actual abstract or something, which is no way going to happen over the next month for me!!!

    I looked on the Oxford Postgraduates thread and a few people (albeit not for Art History) have mentioned they have reached out to potential supervisors already, which is alarming. I've just emailed the Art History department and asked whether or not that is something that happens too for their MSt. I will let you know when they respond.
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    Completely agree about having people speaking on this thread, I feel like in previous years there is much activity with History of Art MA threads, but seems to be very little this year... just us, apparently, haha. Maybe this will work in our favour, who knows.

    Just looked at the Global Perspectives course - it looks extremely interesting.

    Yes I am certainly struggling with my research proposal, I just wonder how in-depth they need to be. And I'm also unsure whether or not to include anything about myself and achievements - so far I have 300 words on myself/achievements/personal aspirations but I have no clue if this is too much or too little...

    I'm scared they want an actual abstract or something, which is no way going to happen over the next month for me!!!

    I looked on the Oxford Postgraduates thread and a few people (albeit not for Art History) have mentioned they have reached out to potential supervisors already, which is alarming. I've just emailed the Art History department and asked whether or not that is something that happens too for their MSt. I will let you know when they respond.
    Thank you very much for asking them. I had emailed them a couple months ago and they never responded. They don't respond to any of my emails (aside from the administration people). The professors haven't gotten back to me, but I am sure they are busy.

    I would say split the research 500 person and 500 proposal if we can, I have to re-check the word cut but I think that should be fine. The proposal is hard to put into 500 words though, for me at has been.

    Keep me updated though... Edinburgh just told me that started looking at my application and are going to get back to me in a few weeks. That is refreshing news at it is my back up at the moment.
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    Thank you very much for asking them. I had emailed them a couple months ago and they never responded. They don't respond to any of my emails (aside from the administration people). The professors haven't gotten back to me, but I am sure they are busy.

    I would say split the research 500 person and 500 proposal if we can, I have to re-check the word cut but I think that should be fine. The proposal is hard to put into 500 words though, for me at has been.

    Keep me updated though... Edinburgh just told me that started looking at my application and are going to get back to me in a few weeks. That is refreshing news at it is my back up at the moment.
    Good re Edinburgh, let me know if you hear anymore from them.

    I was thinking the same for weighting, but struggling to fit a research proposal into 500 words!

    Just got this response from Oxford admin:
    You are free to consult a specialist in your field for advice on your dissertation project, if you think that would be helpful, but you should keep in mind that it is the History of Art Department who will decide about supervision arrangements rather than applicants or prospective supervisors (taking due account of workloads and commitments of its academics). Typically speaking, the convenor of the optional course you have selected as part of the M.St. programme will also be your dissertation supervisor. For example, if you have picked Professor Alastair Wright’s French Painting, 1880-1912 optional course, he will more than likely also be your dissertation supervisor.

    Slightly concerning, as I think this means I should probably change my research proposal to tailor it more to the optional course I'm applying for...
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    Good re Edinburgh, let me know if you hear anymore from them.

    I was thinking the same for weighting, but struggling to fit a research proposal into 500 words!

    Just got this response from Oxford admin:
    You are free to consult a specialist in your field for advice on your dissertation project, if you think that would be helpful, but you should keep in mind that it is the History of Art Department who will decide about supervision arrangements rather than applicants or prospective supervisors (taking due account of workloads and commitments of its academics). Typically speaking, the convenor of the optional course you have selected as part of the M.St. programme will also be your dissertation supervisor. For example, if you have picked Professor Alastair Wright’s French Painting, 1880-1912 optional course, he will more than likely also be your dissertation supervisor.

    Slightly concerning, as I think this means I should probably change my research proposal to tailor it more to the optional course I'm applying for...
    Yea that is the only issue about the proposal at oxford, it needs to be tailored toward the optional course. Which narrows ideas down, but also forces one to a subject that he or she may not want.
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    Good re Edinburgh, let me know if you hear anymore from them.

    I was thinking the same for weighting, but struggling to fit a research proposal into 500 words!

    Just got this response from Oxford admin:
    You are free to consult a specialist in your field for advice on your dissertation project, if you think that would be helpful, but you should keep in mind that it is the History of Art Department who will decide about supervision arrangements rather than applicants or prospective supervisors (taking due account of workloads and commitments of its academics). Typically speaking, the convenor of the optional course you have selected as part of the M.St. programme will also be your dissertation supervisor. For example, if you have picked Professor Alastair Wright’s French Painting, 1880-1912 optional course, he will more than likely also be your dissertation supervisor.

    Slightly concerning, as I think this means I should probably change my research proposal to tailor it more to the optional course I'm applying for...
    Got into Edinburgh! Very good stuff. No financial aid yet but I think I have to apply separately.
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    Got into Edinburgh! Very good stuff. No financial aid yet but I think I have to apply separately.
    Huge congratulations! I am tempted to apply to Edinburgh too, the course looks really good actually
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    Huge congratulations! I am tempted to apply to Edinburgh too, the course looks really good actually
    Your should apply! It is a good back up school. It is actually an amazing back up school because it is a top 20 university haha... The people are super nice too. I just want to make sure that I can get into UCL or Courtauld for PHD if I do go to Edinburgh. I am not sure how that would translate over. I don't want to be stuck in Edinburgh... Then again it wouldn't be all that bad.
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    By the way, I talked to Professor Alastair. He is very nice. He told me that people usually end up doing their dissertation on something contemporary. He said that it doesn't have to be as tailored as I originally thought.

    Also, I feel like there should be more people talking about schools on this forum. Where are the people!?
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    (Original post by GYPSYSQUID)
    By the way, I talked to Professor Alastair. He is very nice. He told me that people usually end up doing their dissertation on something contemporary. He said that it doesn't have to be as tailored as I originally thought.

    Also, I feel like there should be more people talking about schools on this forum. Where are the people!?
    Ok great that's really useful to know, thank you!

    As per your previous comment, it's also nice to have an offer back early, it's horrible knowing that both we won't expect to hear from the courtauld/Oxford until at least Feb/March. It is such a long wait.

    Almost everyday I am changing my Oxford research proposal, I think I just need to suck it up and stick to one thing.
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    (Original post by Artfemvegan)
    Ok great that's really useful to know, thank you!

    As per your previous comment, it's also nice to have an offer back early, it's horrible knowing that both we won't expect to hear from the courtauld/Oxford until at least Feb/March. It is such a long wait.

    Almost everyday I am changing my Oxford research proposal, I think I just need to suck it up and stick to one thing.
    A very long wait indeed. I hope we at least hear from them by the end of February as my Edinburgh acceptance is due by the first of february, after fourteen days I will be required to pay their deposit. I am just waiting on UCL. They told me that it would take about six weeks to get back to me. This is the sixth week. I haven't heard a peep yet. We will see by the end of the week if that number holds true.

    I am meeting with an art history professor Tuesday to help me with my proposal some more. Hopefully it is original enough, I have never had to do this as a part of an application so it is a bit difficult. I threw away four finished proposals already.
 
 
 
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