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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Well done Afcwimbledon2, you have exceeded my expectations of you with this decision.
    Hopefully now a General Election will ensue, allowing a much more favourable house for a right wing administration.
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    He has my full endorsement.
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    I would like to make it clear that I (as I'm sure the rest of the Liberals also do) share no ill or hostility towards the Labour or Socialist Parties, which is why I especially find cranbrook_aspie's comment disappointing.

    Liberals have raised issues quite a lot. It took ages to renegotiate a coalition agreement and it constantly take ages to submit items (the majority of which were written by Liberals) because people weren't active enough.

    In the end, it got to a point where the Liberals believed opposition or a general election were much more beneficial options for us as a party rather than continuing to attempt to govern. I look forward to the election and the chance to reaffirm the Liberal policies we as a party believe in
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I would like to make it clear that I (as I'm sure the rest of the Liberals also do) share no ill or hostility towards the Labour or Socialist Parties, which is why I especially find cranbrook_aspie's comment disappointing.

    Liberals have raised issues quite a lot. It took ages to renegotiate a coalition agreement and it constantly take ages to submit items (the majority of which were written by Liberals) because people weren't active enough.

    In the end, it got to a point where the Liberals believed opposition or a general election were much more beneficial options for us as a party rather than continuing to attempt to govern. I look forward to the election and the chance to reaffirm the Liberal policies we as a party believe in
    Fully agree with this.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    In the time that I was part of the government, it has done quite a lot. True, that was because I wrote all of the bills and quoted people until they submitted them, but we have managed to do quite a bit in the month I have been here. We have reformed prisons to give people a chance to reform, we have made the lives of thousands of homeless people a lot better and we have introduced legislation that will limit the growth of drug resistant bacteria. Imagine how much we could have accomplished with more active coalition partners, or even alone in that month.
    The drafts of many of those bills are currently sitting in the Labour subforum. I do think it takes a bit of a brass neck for the Liberals to take sole credit for bills written by a then-member of the Labour Party who later defected.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I would like to make it clear that I (as I'm sure the rest of the Liberals also do) share no ill or hostility towards the Labour or Socialist Parties, which is why I especially find cranbrook_aspie's comment disappointing.

    Liberals have raised issues quite a lot. It took ages to renegotiate a coalition agreement and it constantly take ages to submit items (the majority of which were written by Liberals) because people weren't active enough.

    In the end, it got to a point where the Liberals believed opposition or a general election were much more beneficial options for us as a party rather than continuing to attempt to govern. I look forward to the election and the chance to reaffirm the Liberal policies we as a party believe in
    I recall one (justified) complaint about the Socialists' slowness in responding earlier in the term, and not a lot else. Don't get me wrong, we were aware that there was some discontent within the Liberal Party, but we had no idea the Liberals had anything like enough of a problem to warrant bringing down the government. You just didn't complain nearly enough for the size of the problem as we perceived it to be remotely proportional to what has resulted.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    To put it bluntly, I find it pretty downright rude that this has been done without there having been any attempt to communicate these concerns to the Liberals' coalition partners at large (and very little attempt to communicate them even to the Labour leadership/Socialist commissars certainly up until my defection). Had there been - and some of the concerns are, from the point of view of the Liberals, legitimate - I am in no doubt that there would have been an effort to redress the situation. The Liberals have proved tonight that they are a two-faced, conniving, scheming excuse for a party, unchanged from the last time they stabbed Labour in the back, and in future I will be advocating opposition rather than working with them again.
    Interesting you say that when we've made concerns clear numerous times and been ignored. We suggested an early election and got ignored. We pushed for the budget and then shadow budget happened and it became terrible. Especially considering all we've done is force what we wanted anyway.

    We tried our hardest and it became untenable for us.

    We don't have any bad blood and we will be open to working with you in the future. But this was a decision we felt we had to take.

    Indeed myself and Fez have expressed that to ourselves privately.
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    Popping back in again. Sorry. Seriously can't help myself. But, lol, what the actual ****? This is getting ridiculous now. Anyway, I best be off.
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    I echo Petros' comments- as a rather silent member in this coalition, I indeed do not any contempt for the Labour or socialist parties, who I personally would be happy to work with again in a future government.

    While they as a collective do not have much to be positive about this term, I would feel aggrieved at the way this coalition has ended if I was on the opposite side.
    It is interesting to note LifePeer's early comment about a caricature of Liberal's simply leaving coalitions forming, and being on acrimonious terms with other parties. I truly hope this is not the case, and that the Liberal party will be able to work with the vast majority of this house's parties (Excluding UKIP in my own view, LUG was an abomination) in creating brilliant legislation that will benefit the future of this model TSR-Land.
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    (Original post by Afcwimbledon2)
    Interesting you say that when we've made concerns clear numerous times and been ignored. We suggested an early election and got ignored. We pushed for the budget and then shadow budget happened and it became terrible. Especially considering all we've done is force what we wanted anyway.

    We tried our hardest and it became untenable for us.

    We don't have any bad blood and we will be open to working with you in the future. But this was a decision we felt we had to take.

    Indeed myself and Fez have expressed that to ourselves privately.
    See what I've said to Petros above - I recognise that concerns *were* raised - and some of the concerns have but we didn't really get a feeling that the level of discontent was more than is normal in a coalition.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    To put it bluntly, I find it pretty downright rude that this has been done without there having been any attempt to communicate these concerns to the Liberals' coalition partners at large (and very little attempt to communicate them even to the Labour leadership/Socialist commissars certainly up until my defection). Had there been - and some of the concerns are, from the point of view of the Liberals, legitimate - I am in no doubt that there would have been an effort to redress the situation. The Liberals have proved tonight that they are a two-faced, conniving, scheming excuse for a party, unchanged from the last time they stabbed Labour in the back, and in future I will be advocating opposition rather than working with them again.
    I wholeheartedly agree and support the comments made by my honourable friend. I am bitterly disappointed with the Liberals' actions. I apologise to you as a former member of this party and the person whom helped to form this government. This is not how we should be treating our coalition partners. I am very disappointed to hear this. This kind of illiberalism is the very foundation of why I had to leave the Liberals.
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    Loving those who are coming out of the woodwork to have a pop at their former party.

    Anyway, I echo the comments of Petros and others. I hold no hatred towards the Labour and Socialist parties, and I hope we can work together in the future to promote legislation that we all agree on.
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
    I wholeheartedly agree and support the comments made by my honourable friend. I am bitterly disappointed with the Liberals' actions. I apologise to you as a former member of this party and the person whom helped to form this government. This is not how we should be treating our coalition partners. I am very disappointed to hear this. This kind of illiberalism is the very foundation of why I had to leave the Liberals.
    Look at what they've done to what we built.
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
    I wholeheartedly agree and support the comments made by my honourable friend. I am bitterly disappointed with the Liberals' actions. I apologise to you as a former member of this party and the person whom helped to form this government. This is not how we should be treating our coalition partners. I am very disappointed to hear this. This kind of illiberalism is the very foundation of why I had to leave the Liberals.
    Maybe you should have consulted with members and agreed a coalition agreement rather than ruling in a illiberal manner?
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    (Original post by Tommy1boy)
    Loving those who are coming out of the woodwork to have a pop at their former party.

    Anyway, I echo the comments of Petros and others. I hold no hatred towards the Labour and Socialist parties, and I hope we can work together in the future to promote legislation that we all agree on.
    I'm not having a pop. I still hold the Liberals to high esteem, that party was home for a long time. I found the MoNC to be stupid. I find this to be stupid. I find much of what goes on in the MHoC to be ridiculously funny. If you're going to indirect me, don't bother. Tag me instead. :lol:
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As I said, low standards. In the rest of the term there has been rigging elections by allowing children to vote, nationalising prisons, not letting trannies cut their dicks off until they're adults several statements full of waffle that don't do a lot, support for protectionism when the government was required to produce free trade legislation and a lot of ill conceived withdrawn legislation such as your own bill withdrawn tonight. Of course we also have a budget that appears wasn't even written by the chancellor with I think it was only 1 correct figure in it.
    Thank you for pointing out some of the other policies our government can be proud of.I still support the aims of the Licencing Act, though I accept that more thought needs to go into figures used and how they are presented. I hope the opportunity to discuss these ideas with members of other parties so an amended form can return to the house next term.

    The budget was one of my parties main reasons for leaving this coalition.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Look at what they've done to what we built.
    My thoughts exactly.

    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Maybe you should have consulted with members and agreed a coalition agreement rather than ruling in a illiberal manner?
    Members were consulted during the negotiation process. Anyone claiming members were not consulted is talking from their rear. I won't make excuses or detail my time as leader or the inevitably long list of faults that came with it (which include not formalising agreements) - I haven't the time or the interest, that's irrelevant now and I don't much care as that's on the current leadership team. Or was, to put it correctly. I know one thing, I would not have allowed this to happen.

    I wouldn't have been able to negotiate a position for the liberals without the help of my capable colleagues. We got an excellent deal, quite frankly. However, yet again, the Liberals have decided to pull out of government at the detriment of their peers, whom they should support rather than stab in the back. Disappointing and very unfortunate.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I'm not having a pop. I still hold the Liberals to high esteem, that party was home for a long time. I found the MoNC to be stupid. I find this to be stupid. I find much of what goes on in the MHoC to be ridiculously funny. If you're going to indirect me, don't bother. Tag me instead. :lol:
    I'll bare that in mind , although I am sure you appreciate that my comment was not primarily pointed at you. I think we can both agree a lot of what has gone on in the MHoC has been ridiculous this past few months.

    EDIT: Your always welcome back home if you want it
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    (Original post by Paracosm)
    I wholeheartedly agree and support the comments made by my honourable friend. I am bitterly disappointed with the Liberals' actions. I apologise to you as a former member of this party and the person whom helped to form this government. This is not how we should be treating our coalition partners. I am very disappointed to hear this. This kind of illiberalism is the very foundation of why I had to leave the Liberals.
    Nice of you to pop out the woodwork with no idea of what's happened.
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