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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    The Libertarians left. They have a new party now, or just try to kill others. I can assure you we are a very peaceful party internally now.
    You do realise there was more ex liberals than ex libers involved in the green death?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Lol. The Wendy House of Commons lurches from crisis to crisis. :rofl:

    It's not that surprising, the Liberals are in effect two parties. The Libertarian-minded half never really wanted to be in coalition to begin with. That's what happens when you admit fake Liberals into the party. Petros killed the TSR Lib Dems. :emo:
    Funny, you joined despite being a fake liberal and definitely not a democrat, and you defend 04's membership despite him not being a liberal either I assume.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    You do realise there was more ex liberals than ex libers involved in the green death?
    You do realise that when I don't have any legislation to look at I'm just posting for the bantz right?:cool:
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Who are the fake liberals? There are no libers in that party
    I'm not going to name names. I think we have different definitions of Libertarian.

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    Funny, you joined despite being a fake liberal and definitely not a democrat, and you defend 04's membership despite him not being a liberal either I assume.
    I was a Lib Dem, and I joined a Lib Dem party (it was called something else, but in essentials it still was Lib Dem). It no longer is.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I'm not going to name names. I think we have different definitions of Libertarian.



    I was a Lib Dem, and I joined a Lib Dem party (it was called something else, but in essentials it still was Lib Dem). It no longer is.
    We obviously do, I go by actual libertarians and you make **** up like normal.

    You are not liberal or a democrat.
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    Christ there really are some slimy Liberals about.

    Switch back into the Conservatives' bed next term for another coalition?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    We obviously do, I go by actual libertarians and you make **** up like normal.

    You are not liberal or a democrat.
    Okay. :cookie:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Lol. The Wendy House of Commons lurches from crisis to crisis. :rofl:

    It's not that surprising, the Liberals are in effect two parties. The Libertarian-minded half never really wanted to be in coalition to begin with. That's what happens when you admit fake Liberals into the party. Petros killed the TSR Lib Dems. :emo:
    1) Tag me if you're going to mention me
    2) The Liberals were renamed way before I joined the party (almost 2 and a half years)
    3) The Liberals are very much United and we look forward to expressing that properly at the next general election
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    1) Tag me if you're going to mention me
    2) The Liberals were renamed way before I joined the party (almost 2 and a half years)
    3) The Liberals are very much United and we look forward to expressing that properly at the next general election
    I don't really tag people, it's not personal.
    True, but as I said above, they were still Lib Dems in practice if not in name. You did change that.
    Okeydokey.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You have a funny definition of small and pulling weight, you were a small part by being second party with the Chancellor, Defence, and DWP (and irrelevant stuff). With these briefs you published a naff budget that you didn't even write a lot of and wasn't even correctly costed with it being so bad I'm having to think about whether no costing would have been better or not. For defence you produced a SoI that did basically nothing, couldn't cost it properly, and had 3 ministers in a row incapable of answering simple questions on their brief. With the DWP absolutely nothing happened.
    Second largest, but a third the size of the largest party. I certainly feel that liberals did more than their share of the work. The ministry positions don't mean a lot when they get overridden anyway. Certainly we weren't perfect, but I think the party did fantastically given the challenges we have faced this term.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I was a Lib Dem, and I joined a Lib Dem party (it was called something else, but in essentials it still was Lib Dem). It no longer is.
    So if I were to join a party that called itself a socialist party I would be a socialist?
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    1) Tag me if you're going to mention me
    2) The Liberals were renamed way before I joined the party (almost 2 and a half years)
    3) The Liberals are very much United and we look forward to expressing that properly at the next general election
    Since joining the liberal party, I am confident we have never been more united then we currently are as a party.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Second largest, but a third the size of the largest party. I certainly feel that liberals did more than their share of the work. The ministry positions don't mean a lot when they get overridden anyway. Certainly we weren't perfect, but I think the party did fantastically given the challenges we have faced this term.
    half, not a third.

    that is also no excuse for shoddiness. Conceited could have refused to accept the budget as it was published, or even just bothered to check it was right. Similarly Bezhukov should have checked what has been done already in the MoD so as to not be listing a load of things already done and little else, including things that have been done IRL.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    half, not a third.

    that is also no excuse for shoddiness. Conceited could have refused to accept the budget as it was published, or even just bothered to check it was right. Similarly Bezhukov should have checked what has been done already in the MoD so as to not be listing a load of things already done and little else, including things that have been done IRL.
    Yes, with hindsight those changes to the budget shouldn't have been allowed to be pushed through. Unfortunately, I have to concede that. It's hard for me to comment on things that have happened before I was active, however.
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    This is something of a shame. I like the Libs and get on well with most of them.

    However, stating that they should have been less flexible over the Budget is nonsense. They were the most right-wing party in a three party coalition: it is not for them to dictate terms over the Budget, and Labour and the Socialists made very significant concessions. The Liberals should've expected the Budget to be substantially left of the centre of their party at the end of the day: just like a LibCon coalition with a Liberal chancellor would produce a Budget veering to the right.

    I suspect next term we shall see a coalition with no party from this term's Government in it.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I'm guessing you didn't bother reading the budget.
    The budget from the Labour-led government? I did actually. Did you? Or do you just not know what communism is?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    This is something of a shame. I like the Libs and get on well with most of them.

    However, stating that they should have been less flexible over the Budget is nonsense. They were the most right-wing party in a three party coalition: it is not for them to dictate terms over the Budget, and Labour and the Socialists made very significant concessions. The Liberals should've expected the Budget to be substantially left of the centre of their party at the end of the day: just like a LibCon coalition with a Liberal chancellor would produce a Budget veering to the right.

    I suspect next term we shall see a coalition with no party from this term's Government in it.
    Please don't see this as us hating on you guys. We do actually like working with you - it's just in this situation we have decided to withdraw.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    half, not a third.

    that is also no excuse for shoddiness. Conceited could have refused to accept the budget as it was published, or even just bothered to check it was right. Similarly Bezhukov should have checked what has been done already in the MoD so as to not be listing a load of things already done and little else, including things that have been done IRL.
    Indeed, I agree we bowed a little too quickly to the political pressure from inside the MHoC, especially considering the MoNC. The moment I knew it was happening, we started throwing the kitchen sink at getting that budget out. But we didn't have to have the shadow budget, that certain members made clear was the only way to get the budget approved at all.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I ended up taking a break from work. Do you know how irritating it is to research US-EU military security? :lol:
    Yeah yeah
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Yes, with hindsight those changes to the budget shouldn't have been allowed to be pushed through. Unfortunately, I have to concede that. It's hard for me to comment on things that have happened before I was active, however.
    It's not at all difficult given things from years and years ago can be found. Beyond that there is a generalised question of: what can be said of the quality of an SoI where all the major announcements are already in effect, some to a greater extent than in the statement?

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