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FLASHED BY SPEED CAMERA - will i be fined?

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Reply 20

olllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllld :p:

Reply 21

Probably. I have only been caught once by a speed camera, and my impression was that it flashed twice. It was on the same side of the road as I was travelling on, though. The NOIP arrived about a fortnight after the event.

Reply 22



And have a read of this (scroll right to the bottom, click on speed cameras. The rest of the site is funny too if you have time):

http://www.lingscars.com/

Reply 23

Lol Minardi just saw this on Lings cars!

"mmm, you should note this Fiat Panda euroNCAP safety test is a bit stricter than the Chinese crash test.

Chinese test involves a sack of rice, a rickshaw, a policeman blowing a whistle and a red flag. Every car passes that test, the rickshaw driver always dies... and Chinese-made cars always get 5 stars! - Ling"

It is so good! Remember it from Dragons Den and the Dragons being like WTF!?

Reply 24

gbduo
Lol Minardi just saw this on Lings cars!

"mmm, you should note this Fiat Panda euroNCAP safety test is a bit stricter than the Chinese crash test.

Chinese test involves a sack of rice, a rickshaw, a policeman blowing a whistle and a red flag. Every car passes that test, the rickshaw driver always dies... and Chinese-made cars always get 5 stars! - Ling"

It is so good! Remember it from Dragons Den and the Dragons being like WTF!?


The woman is insane, and the site is hilairious.

Well worth a browse.

Reply 25

marcusfox
Not exactly. They must either be 100% on, or over read by 10%. The latter is easier for manufacturers to achieve. Get someone with a Sat Nav (Tom Tom) to sit in your car. The speed reading from those is dead on balls accurate. There are other programs available that can measure your speed to two decimal places. It is a common misconception that the speed on these is calculated by averaging the distance moved in a certain period of time, but it is actually calculated by the Doppler shift of the device (in the vehicle in motion) relative to the satellites

'Fraid not. GPS is not the be all and end all when it comes to accuracy with speeds. I bought my GPS and sat it on the windowsill and it told me I was doing 14mph for a good 30 seconds. My wrist mounted GPS had some interesting spikes when I was sailing (including height jumps of up to 40ft). I know some very experienced sailors who consider the speed reading of a GPS too inaccurate to provide meaningful feedback on boat speed. I don't know if you can get the track log from a TomTom but it can be interesting to look at. It's not as accurate as you might think.

Reply 26

Hm. I got flashed by a speed camera once in an almost identical situation (late at night; couldn't see any other cars; camera was on the other side of the road.. only difference was, it was a 30mph zone and I was maybe doing about 35mph) and I never got a NIP.

Reply 27

CurlyBen
'Fraid not. GPS is not the be all and end all when it comes to accuracy with speeds. I bought my GPS and sat it on the windowsill and it told me I was doing 14mph for a good 30 seconds. My wrist mounted GPS had some interesting spikes when I was sailing (including height jumps of up to 40ft). I know some very experienced sailors who consider the speed reading of a GPS too inaccurate to provide meaningful feedback on boat speed. I don't know if you can get the track log from a TomTom but it can be interesting to look at. It's not as accurate as you might think.


This can be the case if it doesn't have a strong signal to a number of satellites. I have experienced this occasionally when stationary, but in motion I have found it to perform well

Also depending on conditions, the GPS altimeter is not very accurate, since the GPS altitude technology works on the theory that the Earth is a perfect sphere.

I don't get the tracklogs from Tom Tom, I use Memory Map and they have been relatively smooth. The altitude readings are also useful if you use them as a rough guide - on aircraft for example.

Marcus

Reply 28

marcusfox
This can be the case if it doesn't have a strong signal to a number of satellites. I have experienced this occasionally when stationary, but in motion I have found it to perform well

Also depending on conditions, the GPS altimeter is not very accurate, since the GPS altitude technology works on the theory that the Earth is a perfect sphere.

I don't get the tracklogs from Tom Tom, I use Memory Map and they have been relatively smooth. The altitude readings are also useful if you use them as a rough guide - on aircraft for example.

Marcus

Sure, there's several reasons why GPS speed (and position) can be inaccurate, but many people say it's entirely accurate. I don't think it is, though generally it will be better than a speedo that hasn't been calibrated for years. On the other hand, I think a well calibrated high quality speedo will be more accurate. I know the altitude is far from perfect, but I stayed at the same height (I was on a boat, on a loch, not much chance to move up and down there!) and it varied significantly. It's also perhaps easier to spot errors with sailing tracklogs, as they're lower speeds and acceleration can't be as on-off as in a car. GPS is also probably less accurate at low speeds, but they can certainly jump around at 30mph (my boat will do those kinds of speeds! :biggrin:)

Reply 29

I think there is a difference between high quality, expensive GPS units and the GPS us mere citizens use.

I use GPS as part of my GIS project in Geography and it is 100x more accurate than any other alternative, but then my unit that i use is worth well over £1000, a bit more than a TT and the unit has to be accurate, so it has three tuners and then avgs out.

I think civil GPS is somewhat inaccurate, but only because the technology used is not as advanced as other GPS systems.

However, it is still more accurate for the average joe bloggs.

Reply 30

gbduo
I have had 12 points for 2 years now!

Used none of them!


You've not exchanged them for air-miles, free 'top-up' lessons, or funky dashboard-dice?

Shame on you.

Reply 31

Profesh
You've not exchanged them for air-miles, free 'top-up' lessons, or funky dashboard-dice?

Shame on you.


No...but i did get a packet of Rowntrees Sweet Strawberry Jam!

Reply 32

gbduo
I think there is a difference between high quality, expensive GPS units and the GPS us mere citizens use.

I use GPS as part of my GIS project in Geography and it is 100x more accurate than any other alternative, but then my unit that i use is worth well over £1000, a bit more than a TT and the unit has to be accurate, so it has three tuners and then avgs out.

I think civil GPS is somewhat inaccurate, but only because the technology used is not as advanced as other GPS systems.

However, it is still more accurate for the average joe bloggs.


This would be a differential GPS which has two or more widely spaced antennae, right? You are correct in that consumer GPS is out in the order of +/- 10 ft horizontally and +/- 50 ft vertically, however, when travelling at steady speeds it is still very accurate.

Marcus

Reply 33

marcusfox
This would be a differential GPS which has two or more widely spaced antennae, right? You are correct in that consumer GPS is out in the order of +/- 10 ft horizontally and +/- 50 ft vertically, however, when travelling at steady speeds it is still very accurate.

Marcus


Yeh i guess so!

Oh i totally agree, GPS is still the most accurate measure in a car, by far.

Reply 34

gbduo
Oh i totally agree, GPS is still the most accurate measure in a car, by far.

It is in a normal car, but I still think a well calibrated, high quality speedo would be better, especially if you're not travelling at a steady speed. I've had two GPS units in the car giving different speeds, generally not out by much but out. I've also had spikes in GPS traces which show a boat which has definitely stayed on the water on a point on the shore (Google Earth is great :biggrin:), while others have shown a boat driven solely by the wind double their speed and drop back again in the space of 3 or 4 seconds.

Reply 35

Yeh but as i siaid previously, GPS should NEVER be used on its own (like any measurement) to be completely accurate.

GPS is still the most accurate single measure you can get, obviously you get inaccuracies, like with any measure but 80% of the time, it is accurate, which is a lot higher than anything else. Also, GPS does not require complicated calibration which makes accurate measurement more possible.

If you want accurate speed readings you would use a combination of GPS, radar and time trial.

For accuracy, you always use more than 1 measure!

A high quality speedo could well be more accuracy as there is little lag, but not many cars have one!

Reply 36

if u were doing 48 in a 40 at night, there could of been someone step out infront of you or an animal and you could of hit it causing a serious accident or death to a person/animal, so you deserve the points.

Reply 37

coulsontom
if u were doing 48 in a 40 at night, there could of been someone step out infront of you or an animal and you could of hit it causing a serious accident or death to a person/animal, so you deserve the points.

That could happen if she was doing 30 in the middle of day. Or if she was doing the speed limit anywhere - anything could happen. On a motorway are you going to crawl along just in case an animal decides to try to cross? Of course not. It could happen anywhere, you're not going to give people points for doing the limit on a motorway because they could harm someone/thing are you?

Reply 38

Chill out, wait to see if a ticket comes. no point worrying. and try not to break the speed limit again :wink:

Reply 39

Sephrenia
That could happen if she was doing 30 in the middle of day. Or if she was doing the speed limit anywhere - anything could happen. On a motorway are you going to crawl along just in case an animal decides to try to cross? Of course not. It could happen anywhere, you're not going to give people points for doing the limit on a motorway because they could harm someone/thing are you?


That wasn't quite the point I was trying to make. Of course you shouldn't crawl down the motorway. But speed limits are set with the conditions of the road in mind. There could be residential areas nearby and someone could step out into the road and if you are sticking to the limit of 40 rather than 48 then surely the person has a better chance of living or you have a better chance of avoiding the collision.

I don't know about you but I haven't seen many people walk into the outside lane of the motorway?