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I said centre-right, I don't think I mentioned the word "left-wing" at all 'cos I am very far from being one (thank the Lord).
sorry I wasn't imply that you said "left wing" - I implied that you were suggesting that you were less right wing (i.e. centre right) due to your social liberalism (meaning civil libertarianism)

I place myself in the centre-right rather than in the right-wing 'cos I'm in favour of loose immigration and all sorts of things which would cause multiple strokes to those who identify as right-wing (as it might be obvious from the responses in this thread).
but that's not "left wing" once again; radical libertarians (right wingers on the polar opposite of the left) are massively in favour of open immigration (i.e. gary johnson, leader of the libertarian party USA). being right wing has nothing to do with immigration - it has everything to do with either (a) nationalism, or potentially (b) neoliberal globalism, and hence you *might* say that it is an aspect of capitalism, but only in the trans-national sense and not the national sense. in fact, it isn't necessarily true that immigration is inherently to do with labour, especially in the case of refugees/asylum. therefore, how can you argue that it is left leaning in that regard?
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but that's not "left wing" once again; radical libertarians (right wingers on the polar opposite of the left) are massively in favour of open immigration (i.e. gary johnson, leader of the libertarian party USA). being right wing has nothing to do with immigration - it has everything to do with either (a) nationalism, or potentially (b) neoliberal globalism, and hence you *might* say that it is an aspect of capitalism, but only in the trans-national sense and not the national sense. in fact, it isn't necessarily true that immigration is inherently to do with labour, especially in the case of refugees/asylum. therefore, how can you argue that it is left leaning in that regard?
I didn't say it is - once again, you acknowledge I didn't say it is left-wing but then you hammer with it again.

Radical libertarians like Hans Hoppe are in favour of draconian restrictions in the movement of people. And a **** ton of new age libertarians follow Hoppe. Even the best of them, like Friedman, had (imo totally unsupported) reservations about immigration who he thought was incompatible with a welfare state (while i favour both a welfare state and immigration).

The point is that a lot of libertarians do not identify as "right-wing" (rather they identify as radical centrists or centre-right) 'cos conservatives and nowadays people like Alt-righters also call themselves "Right-wing" and they'd rather be shot in the face (as I would) with a magnum than be put in the same category as alt-righters and even contemporary conservatives like Hannity.
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I didn't say it is - once again, you acknowledge I didn't say it is left-wing but then you hammer with it again.
(i) sorry, look at my post again - I forgot to put my firsts point out of the quotation.
(ii) then how can you say you're not right wing when immigration is not a left wing tenet? either it's right or left in this sense (and I suggest, if anything at all, it's right wing); there's no such principle as "centre" because centre is a relation between the two, not an absolutely different category.

Radical libertarians like Hans Hoppe are in favour of draconian restrictions in the movement of people.
he can't be "radical" then because surely that violates the non-aggression principle? rothbard, for instance, is a "radical" libertarian - do you think he'd have ever endorsed restrictions on immigration? that just boggles my mind

And a **** ton of new age libertarians follow Hoppe. Even the best of them, like Friedman, had (imo totally unsupported) reservations about immigration who he thought was incompatible with a welfare state (while i favour both a welfare state and immigration).
and libertarians do not ensdorse the welfare state in the first place, hence the qualification that there should be restrictions only in so far as one does* exist

The point is that a lot of libertarians do not identify as "right-wing" (rather they identify as radical centrists or centre-right)
nope, that's not true at all and I have never seen that being at all the case. nowhere in the world are libertarians known to be "centrists". and why centre right? why not centre-left? if it is inherently of the centre, how can it be one or the other?

'cos conservatives and nowadays people like Alt-righters also call themselves "Right-wing" and they'd rather be shot in the face (as I would) with a magnum than be put in the same category as alt-righters and even contemporary conservatives like Hannity.
conservatives =/= libertarians. they're both right wing, sure, because they're capitalists, but libertarians who are social reformers (i.e. ending the war on drugs, legalising same sex marriage, etc) are inherently not* conservative and appealing to authority or tradition. and the alt-right is not libertarian - the alt-right is identitarian, or nationalist. you can be both and be either right wing or left wing economically - I'm just saying
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RIGHT-wing, thank you very much.

Pro-Brexit, anti-immigration, anti-Islam, anti-political correctness, pro-Christian, anti-welfare state, anti-NHS, pro-Trump.

Left-wingers are cuckold cowards, and centrists are just as bad.
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Because they know they would get torn apart in an actual debate. So they keep their deluded thoughts to themselves.
Curious, what exactly do you think the left are deluded about? Please don't give vague statements, i prefer evidence backed facts 😊
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im a left wing cuck and proud, suck a phat one
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(i) sorry, look at my post again - I forgot to put my firsts point out of the quotation.
(ii) then how can you say you're not right wing when immigration is not a left wing tenet? either it's right or left in this sense (and I suggest, if anything at all, it's right wing); there's no such principle as "centre" because centre is a relation between the two, not an absolutely different category.



he can't be "radical" then because surely that violates the non-aggression principle? rothbard, for instance, is a "radical" libertarian - do you think he'd have ever endorsed restrictions on immigration? that just boggles my mind



and libertarians do not ensdorse the welfare state in the first place, hence the qualification that there should be restrictions only in so far as one does* exist



nope, that's not true at all and I have never seen that being at all the case. nowhere in the world are libertarians known to be "centrists". and why centre right? why not centre-left? if it is inherently of the centre, how can it be one or the other?



conservatives =/= libertarians. they're both right wing, sure, because they're capitalists, but libertarians who are social reformers (i.e. ending the war on drugs, legalising same sex marriage, etc) are inherently not* conservative and appealing to authority or tradition. and the alt-right is not libertarian - the alt-right is identitarian, or nationalist. you can be both and be either right wing or left wing economically - I'm just saying
Rothbard in his book decomposing the state:

If every piece of land in a country were owned by some person, group, or corporation, this would mean that no person could enter unless invited to enter and allowed to rent or purchase property. A totally privatized country would be as closed as the particular property owners desire. It seems clear, then, that the regime of open borders that exists de facto in the U.S. and Western Europe [LOL, note the qualification "de facto"; he put it in 'cos he was well aware of how strict immigration is both in the US and Europe -- try migrating to the US from Britain, it's virtually impossible unless you marry a US citizen or are a genius] really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas, and does not genuinely reflect the wishes of the proprietors.
He was an open borders person his entire life but he changed his views towards the end of his life and he has now a pretty large and retarded following.

If you don't know who Hoppe is then use google 'cos Icba with him. And frankly, you can't talk about radical libs without incl. Hoppe. He's possibly the second most famous anarcho-capitalist alive (after David Friedman) and in many respects, the intellectual heir of Murray Rothbard (who has his teacher and who practically adored everything he wrote).

For more on this issue of left-right, read Walter Block.

It's just not true that libertarians are all in favour of open borders. Significant figures - both Friedman and Rothbard really were not (and those two are the towering figures of minarchists and anarcho-capitalists) and Friedman's qualification, namely that he'd endorse open borders but only if the welfare state disappears, practically means NO open borders 'cos there ain't a shadow of a chance of that happening.
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Socially Conservative, Economically Libertarian (Free trade etc)
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Right Leaning but I prefer pragmatism over ideology.

Pro -
Armed Forces
NATO
Police
NHS
Controlled, skilled Immigration
The Anglo-sphere
Universal Basic Income - should it prove to be affordable
The idea of Western European Free Trade Area
Capitalism
Patriotism
LGBT Rights
Strict Firearms Control
Abortion
Strict prison sentences

Anti -
Wholesale nationalisation
EU Freedom of Movement
Communism/extreme forms of Socialism
Far Right ideals
Decriminalisation of narcotics
The break up of the UK
Nuclear Disarmament - unless done globally
Religious beliefs that are hostile to Western civilisation
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Fairly left wing tbh, couldn’t really give a **** about the country, being left wing benefits me and people like me the most so yeah
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Centre Left
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Definitely right wing. Probably more right wing than I would have expected from myself five years ago.

I put it down to living in a leftie predominant area and realising how screwed up their ideas for the economy, welfare, trade, free speech (basically silence anything that isn’t PC), and immigration are. Plus our Labour-led council is a joke.
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Very left wing. (Labour/Green party!)

-pro-social equality
-environmentalist
-anti discrimination (race, religion, sex etc.)
-pro-state intervention
-feminist
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Definitely left wing.
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If you're not left wing you're not paying attention
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How about no wing?
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I’m a chicken wing: anti-vegan and anti-vegetarianism
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Supposedly radical centrist.
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