Would a more centrist Labour be polling higher now?

In this day of age the Lib Dems are rather irrelevant and I don't think they will recover.

The main differentiation between the conservatives and Lib Dems is that the conservatives are more pro-brexit than the liberals. Idk for labour.

Labour should certainly be doing better in the polls. The Tories are shambolic, there's no excuses for not doing better.

Labour cannot win a GE without convincing some Tory voters to switch, and so far Corbyn and McDonnell have done nothing to try and convince them. They need to stop playing to their base and reach out... sadly, I don't think Jezza is capable of doing that tbh.

Yes Bear!!!

Anything would be better than the current Marxists leading the Labour party.

Labour have an excellent candidate in the form of Keir Starmer. Starmer has done an excellent job of holding the government to account on Brexit and as an experienced lawyer understands the challenges we face unlike the current PM. He would capture the middle ground of British Politics as Corbyn is too far to the left for the majority of people in this country.

Yes, the Labour Party needs the Lib Dems to recover and start taking Tory votes.

To me, Labour is too left wing and the conservative are too right wing.

I would vote for Labour or the Conservatives if they were more centrist.

Hear me out!

Since the 2017 election, the two parties have been pretty much level pegging in the polls. The majority showing Labour with a small lead, but some recently showing the Tories either level or with a small lead themselves. Labour haven't pulled clear, which they may have been expecting to.

I've seen a lot of commentators in the press such as Osborne and even centre-left folk claiming that if Labour had a more centre-left leader, that they would be way out ahead. Then again, I don't know if a more centrist leader would be as popular with younger voters.

We seem to be in a similar position to 2005, an unpopular government with an equally unpopular opposition.

Thoughts?

I'm curious as to how May is anything but a very wet centrist. The current government is much further left than the Cameron government, they've even given up on the deficit.

Ed Milliband would probably be polling 15 points ahead of the Tories had he stayed in power. That's how useless Corbyn and his cronies really are.

Since the 2017 election, the two parties have been pretty much level pegging in the polls. The majority showing Labour with a small lead, but some recently showing the Tories either level or with a small lead themselves. Labour haven't pulled clear, which they may have been expecting to.

I've seen a lot of commentators in the press such as Osborne and even centre-left folk claiming that if Labour had a more centre-left leader, that they would be way out ahead. Then again, I don't know if a more centrist leader would be as popular with younger voters.

Ok first point to note is that all these silly little polls are a poor indicator of the reality. Most only talk to maybe 1500 people when in fact the electorate is 40+ million people. Note also that many of these polls are actually commissioned, so they are essentially paid for PR.

The biggest and truest poll was the one recently done in which the nation elected the Tories by 318 seats to Labour's 262 seats. The actual election. No further polls are required TBH.




I would totally agree.

The problem is that the Labour party has been usurped from within. A completely different party, the Marxist/Communist Hard Left Looney Party has risen up like a virus and infected the true Labour party and has now set about ousting all the original party members. Indeed many of the real Labour party members have simply walked off of their own volition because of the damage they see has been done by Corbyn and Momentum.

Labour CAN NOT continue to exist as a b@stardised party, as 2 parties in one. Doesn't really matter about the centrist bit. What matters is that it is a total and utter mess, a complete chaos, a raging war within a party as another entirely different party battles away to take it over.

What currently exists under the banner of "Labour" is simply 100% unelectable. You can not have a 2-party party vying to be the leader of the country, it's patently ridiculous.

In terms of the future then you're talking about which of the 2 parties will ultimately become victorious in seizing that "Labour" banner and using it for its own ends.

The "Jezbollah" Corbyn party with the despicable Momentum thugs are never going to get elected. Belief in such is pure delusion and the recent election is testament to that.

Corbyn had the help of a duped young electorate, he had the help of Remainers voting tactically for him, and he had the help that the Tories ran an awful campaign. Even with all those advantages he still lost the election miserably. Anyone who truly supports Labour needs to come to terms with that and root out the festering problem with the party.

The UK is never going to vote Comrade Corbyn and Momentum into government. Just ain't gonna happen. Ever. Corbyn has a reprehensible history, supporting the IRA, calling Hamas and Hezbollah friends and generally not having any real interest in Britain and its sovereignty imo.

In terms of what is left of the original Labour party, the more centric element then I don't doubt many might have voted for that element, though a great many won't have forgotten the damage the former centric Labour party did to the country with BLiar taking us into wars we shouldn't have been in and Brown bankrupting us with his uncontrolled spending and selling our gold reserves for an absolute pittance.

So, Labour have MASSIVE issues regardless.

The militant Marxist element is never getting into government, even if they manage to dupe the entire young electorate again. Just isn't going to happen.

The centric element bears the awful history of the past Labour governments.

The masses are given Hobson's choice. The disappointing Tories, Marxist Labour or a more centric Labour if that element gets off its @rse and fights back to oust Corbyn and Momentum.

The polls are meaningless and just a political tool for media manipulation. Go by the election result.

Corbyn has to go. It's that simple.

Miliband was charmless and there was something unlikeable about him similar to Neil Kinnock. I suspect that had he stayed on after the 2015 general election then he would be invisible like IDS was as leader of the Conservatives.

What I do know is that we should have an alternative manifesto from labour that isn’t just diet conservative and that’s what labour did for the first time in over 2 decades at the last election regardless of if you personally like it or not

Hear me out!

Since the 2017 election, the two parties have been pretty much level pegging in the polls. The majority showing Labour with a small lead, but some recently showing the Tories either level or with a small lead themselves. Labour haven't pulled clear, which they may have been expecting to.

I've seen a lot of commentators in the press such as Osborne and even centre-left folk claiming that if Labour had a more centre-left leader, that they would be way out ahead. Then again, I don't know if a more centrist leader would be as popular with younger voters.

We seem to be in a similar position to 2005, an unpopular government with an equally unpopular opposition.

Thoughts?

Actually all you really got was a desperate "Free beer for everyone" manifesto that simply tried to play to all the emotional sound bites and issues that the duplicitous Corbyn knew were bugging people.

It worked for a while, the endless (but baseless) cosy sounding promises, but the truth will always out and after the epiphany of the blatant duping of the young electorate, who have now seen what complete and utter vapourware Corbyn's promises are and were, there must surely now be a lot of anger and resentment from them at having been so badly played like fiddles.

Labour are not a credible party, in that, it is not enough to simply trot out endless spiel about the things people are concerned about and to make continual baseless and un-costed promises to fix everything.

Sure, parts of the electorate just don't care enough about the detail and the truth and may fall for that kind of lame rhetoric, but far more people are older and wiser and see beyond the Corbyn façade and know what he truly represents and thankfully, those people will never vote him into No 10.

Labour stands in absolute crisis. A party within a party, with both desperately trying to wage a battle against the other to seize full and absolute control of the Labour banner. As such it makes itself unelectable.

This nonsense must come to an end. There MUST emerge 2 separate parties. I don't personally care what they call themselves though of course I am not stupid enough to fall for the notion that Comrade Corbyn and Momentum represent real "Labour" should they prevail in this war. They are nothing but a Marxist/Communist rabble who have dubious histories and use disgusting methods to get what they want.

Unelectable, unfit to govern.

The Tories are far from perfect, but at this time, they are the only real choice. That situation will continue while ever the Labour muppets fail to weed their garden and oust Corbyn and Momentum.

If there is to be movement away from labour it will be remainers switching their vote back to Tory, a scrapping of the dementia tax, the government looking stable post brexit or a mix of them.

Actually all you really got was a desperate "Free beer for everyone" manifesto that simply tried to play to all the emotional sound bites and issues that the duplicitous Corbyn knew were bugging people.

It worked for a while, the endless (but baseless) cosy sounding promises, but the truth will always out and after the epiphany of the blatant duping of the young electorate, who have now seen what complete and utter vapourware Corbyn's promises are and were, there must surely now be a lot of anger and resentment from them at having been so badly played like fiddles.

Labour are not a credible party, in that, it is not enough to simply trot out endless spiel about the things people are concerned about and to make continual baseless and un-costed promises to fix everything.

Sure, parts of the electorate just don't care enough about the detail and the truth and may fall for that kind of lame rhetoric, but far more people are older and wiser and see beyond the Corbyn façade and know what he truly represents and thankfully, those people will never vote him into No 10.

Labour stands in absolute crisis. A party within a party, with both desperately trying to wage a battle against the other to seize full and absolute control of the Labour banner. As such it makes itself unelectable.

This nonsense must come to an end. There MUST emerge 2 separate parties. I don't personally care what they call themselves though of course I am not stupid enough to fall for the notion that Comrade Corbyn and Momentum represent real "Labour" should they prevail in this war. They are nothing but a Marxist/Communist rabble who have dubious histories and use disgusting methods to get what they want.

Unelectable, unfit to govern.

The Tories are far from perfect, but at this time, they are the only real choice. That situation will continue while ever the Labour muppets fail to weed their garden and oust Corbyn and Momentum.