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Good afternoon all.

I have applied to the RAF as an officer. i have my filter interview next month and i need to find out afew important things.

I have seen the thread about IOT which has been a great help. However, I am applying as a PTO and need information about what happens after the IOT when i hopefully pass all phases.

Specialist training- Where is it for a PTO?

Many thanks in advance.
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Hi, I wish you the best of luck. I might be applying to the army too, ceremonial gunners however. Please let me know how you get on.
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Just want to double check to what these abbreviations mean for IOT.

WC?
PEd-physical education development?
VC?
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Just want to double check to what these abbreviations mean for IOT.

WC?
PEd-physical education development?
VC?
What's the context for WC and VC?
PEd is just physical education.
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its what is taught in IOT throughout phase 1 to 3.
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its what is taught in IOT throughout phase 1 to 3.
Written communication
Verbal communication

At a guess.
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ok thank you. easy to remember. where would training be for a personal training officer after cranwell. i cant find anywhere... is it just staying at cranwell?
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ok thank you. easy to remember. where would training be for a personal training officer after cranwell. i cant find anywhere... is it just staying at cranwell?
Where have you tried looking? It's really quite easy to find if you think about it...
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ok thank you. easy to remember. where would training be for a personal training officer after cranwell. i cant find anywhere... is it just staying at cranwell?
VC is Verbal Comma

Everything you need to know about IOT is available here:

https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/m...fo_booklet.pdf

In terms of Phase 2, from what I’ve just seen on Google, it’s the Defence School of Personnel Administration at Worthy Down, but you should dig around as I’ve only looked for a couple of mins.

https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinsti...support-roles/
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much appreciate this thank you so much
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VC is Verbal Comma

Everything you need to know about IOT is available here:

https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/m...fo_booklet.pdf

In terms of Phase 2, from what I’ve just seen on Google, it’s the Defence School of Personnel Administration at Worthy Down, but you should dig around as I’ve only looked for a couple of mins.

https://bootcampmilitaryfitnessinsti...support-roles/
Worthy Down is for Personnel Support Officer not Personnel Training Officer. I was recently chatting to a PTO holding between Ph1 and 2 who was expecting to go to Cosford for his specialist training. Found some gen on it here: https://www.raf.mod.uk/rafedtoa/news...nchaddress.cfm
With it being a relatively new branch there is not a huge amount of information available. I enquired about this role last year at the AFCO and they couldn't tell me anything! Best of luck with your application.
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Worthy Down is for Personnel Support Officer not Personnel Training Officer. I was recently chatting to a PTO holding between Ph1 and 2 who was expecting to go to Cosford for his specialist training. Found some gen on it here: https://www.raf.mod.uk/rafedtoa/news...nchaddress.cfm
With it being a relatively new branch there is not a huge amount of information available. I enquired about this role last year at the AFCO and they couldn't tell me anything! Best of luck with your application.
To the OP, this is probably the best gen you will get in relation to your enquiry. Interesting insight into the modern RAF, and if you're wise you'll read between the lines very carefully. Lots of very big words and er, modern management speak at play here. Ideal material for that Christmas game of [email protected] bingo. If you want me to distil it into language you can understand:

'We're making it up as we go along'

To be fair, the RAF (like all other public organisations) is being forced to adapt to an increasing social upheaval and lack of resources from the top. I'm sure the head of training (and all his hard worked staff) are doing the very best they can, but this one document really does tell you all you need to to know about the way the RAF is having to think.

If you know how to interpret this document, you'll be able to make wise choices.

You're welcome.

Ikky

PS they can change the job title as much as they want, but to certain sections of the RAF you'll still be a blunty. Best get used to the banter if you're serious about joining
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thanks Ikky, appreciate it. yeah the banter is second nature to me lol brother and father in services(army) so im not going in blind. appreciate all the help guys.
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thanks Ikky, appreciate it. yeah the banter is second nature to me lol brother and father in services(army) so im not going in blind. appreciate all the help guys.
With that pedigree, you'll have a solid foundation already! I won't teach granny to suck eggs etc. As long as you have a game plan for your career (and developing life) you'll do well.

As the PTO role is fairly immature, just be prepared to limit your expectations about the course and branch in the early days. On the positive side, it sounds like you would be at the forefront of a new and developing structure, so you may have early opportunities to help in driving it forward.

Best wishes and good luck for the future.

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So Phase 2 specialist training is indeed at RAF Cosford and has been since it moved here approx 2 years ago. The Pers Training Branch is far from new. It has been central to the RAF since the Second World War. Of course it has evolved since the main change being from education to training in 1996 just after when I joined. I am one of the most senior members of the Branch and also vice-chair of the RAFEDTOA too. If you need accurate but honest info I am a good source or I can pass you to my staff as necessary.
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Good afternoon all.

I have applied to the RAF as an officer. I have my filter interview next month and I need to find out a few important things.

I have seen the thread about IOT which has been a great help. However, I am applying as a PTO and need information about what happens after the IOT when i hopefully pass all phases.

Specialist training- Where is it for a PTO?

Many thanks in advance.
Hi, Pers Trg (we don't use term PTO) is a training specialist that is responsible for ensuring that training is compliant with Defence Systems Approach to Training (DSAT). This means that we make sure training is fit for purpose, not doing too much or too little, not doing something because someone thinks its a good idea and making sure that the training was delivered correctly by looking at the feedback and conducting audits.

It is unlikely you will ever be responsible for all aspects of the DSAT process in whichever job you get, you will move through different functions and build experience as you do.

Your first tour is likely to be a Station Training Officer, responsible for delivering training on stations, looking after the gym and delivering overseas and UK based education trips (called staff rides).

There are not many of us and it is a rewarding job.

I hope this helps answer your question.
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Hi, Pers Trg (we don't use term PTO) is a training specialist that is responsible for ensuring that training is compliant with Defence Systems Approach to Training (DSAT). This means that we make sure training is fit for purpose, not doing too much or too little, not doing something because someone thinks its a good idea and making sure that the training was delivered correctly by looking at the feedback and conducting audits.

It is unlikely you will ever be responsible for all aspects of the DSAT process in whichever job you get, you will move through different functions and build experience as you do.

Your first tour is likely to be a Station Training Officer, responsible for delivering training on stations, looking after the gym and delivering overseas and UK based education trips (called staff rides).

There are not many of us and it is a rewarding job.

I hope this helps answer your question.
Just to add as a Station Training Officer you don’t actually do the delivery of training but you help with local analysis source solutions and then assure them. The most interesting aspect is acting as the local consultant Visiting all the sections to help them identify and satisfy their professional training requirements.
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