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Hi. I've been rejected by Cambridge and found out that TSR is quite an useful forum for me to ask for some opinion. I've just requested for an interviewer feedback from the college which rejected me and would like to know what is usually included in the feedback. Do we get to know our TSA results in the feeback? Do they tell you why they reject you? Are they going to put in some really negative comments, just because we got rejected?? And they did mention about writing letters to them for complaints and dissatisfaction that we feel and i'm just wondering, what do people compalin about??
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More useful than no feedback, I would've thought.
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It depends on the college and the subject whether it is personal feedback or just the standard 'the competition was tough this year' etc.
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It depends on the college and the subject whether it is personal feedback or just the standard 'the competition was tough this year' etc.
If it is the standard one, is it possible for us to request for a more detailed one instead??
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Of course it is possible for you to request, but there is no guarantee that you will get it. All the admissions people have now gone back to teaching etc so they are very busy. It really depends on the individuals concerned as to whether they will or not.
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It's only really useful if you're considering reapplying; if not, why bother? Anyhow, if you really want decent feedback you might have to pester them!
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do you email the college admissions office or the actual people who interviewed you?
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Email your original college and ask for feedback. You also mention making a complaint - on what grounds??
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was that directed at me? i havn't mentioned complaining about anything?
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do you email the college admissions office or the actual people who interviewed you?
You should always contact the admissions office in the first instance.
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was that directed at me? i havn't mentioned complaining about anything?
No, sorry - it was directed at the OP.
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But please do not email them right now. Most colleges send feedback to all unsuccessful applicants around february without anyone bothering them. So give them a couple of weeks before emailing.
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I doubt that they would include TSA results in any interview feedback. They used started using it in 06 but said they weren't going to attach much weight to it, just that it would be an extra 'tool'. Either way, they seem to suggest that its not a very significant factor in their decision making process.
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Email your original college and ask for feedback. You also mention making a complaint - on what grounds??
I have emailed them and they promised to send one to my referee. I'm just wondering what can complaining helps when the decisions are already finalised....
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Well precisely, I doubt it can. If your complaint is just "I'm really good but you didn't pick me", then forget it. If you think there was malpractice at some point in the procedure, then that's a different story.
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I have emailed them and they promised to send one to my referee. I'm just wondering what can complaining helps when the decisions are already finalised....

Oxbridge are notorious for sticking to their decisions and fighting complaints all the way. An admirable example of this was Magdalen college Oxford weathering out the Laura Spence case - even when it went national they kept their integrity and Brown ended up looking bad. If you have a legitimate complaint which you have a shot at proving eg discrimination/interviewer mal practice then you should flag it up, but from what you've said it doesn't seem as though this is the case.

If it is simply that you have perfect grades/everyone said you'd get in/teachers are shocked etc - that applies to almost everyone who doesn't get in. They do make it clear that being outstanding doesn't necessarily guarantee a place. I haven't been in the national system for a few years now, but it seems that you have to have a stunning record to get into any top uni now
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Hey guys,

A bit off the point and wrong uni thread but I've read your posts about complaints and the precursors of discrimination/malpractice etc I was wondering what you thought to this.

I applied to Oxford (Merton) to read French & German starting Oct 2008, but however was rejected following interview. Although, this wasn't what I had hoped for I am over it now and have realised I'm going to be happy at UCL.

However, there are some concerns about the procedure which my teachers and I have been discussing.

In the prospectus it says that 'candidates applying to read French, German and Spanish are particularly welcome', so seeing this I was thrilled as I already loved Merton. However, when I arrived for interview I discovered that there wasn't actually a German tutor at Merton but only a French and Spanish tutor. This was also accompanied by the fact that there were only 4 mod lang cands there for interview who were applying to read Mod Langs with German. Was a bit mythed but thought what the hell!

Next day were the tests, which were challenging but not as hard as the original practice ones. I also had both a French and German interview in the afternoon which I found challenging but interesting. However, as there was no German tutor at my college I had to go to Brasenose for an interview, with the German fellow who turned out to be the Dean of the college and also German tutor for Pembroke. On my way to the interview I was talking with the Student Helper who told me that the tutor was funny about admitting people for German from Merton and Pembroke because they had favoured a different college to his and expected him to make an offer at the sacrifice of one of his college's Mod Langs cands. Bizzare I know - not sure if there was a grudge?

Nevertheless, interview went well went on for 50mins!!!!!!!!!! So I thought it must have gone well otherwise why would he keep me 30 mins extra. However, when the e-mails and letters were sent out it has become apparent that nobody who applied for Mod Langs with an aspect of German at Merton was accepted for 2008 entry.

I find this a bit weird in light of the fact that there was from the outset and French and Spanish bias at the college and the Brasenose's tutors comments. Also I find it incredible that they would have been able to compare the difficulty of each language test, the poems given for each test etc. So if was wondering if I perhaps had a case to complain if not for failure to be transparent with regards to German applications but misleading information within the prospectus.

Now before some smart a** jumps down my throat saying I wasn't good enough etc and just accept it! I can accept it, however, with such doubts about the system one can do anything but wonder! Congrats to anyone who has an offer!!!!!!!!!
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You're basing your complaint on the rumours of a student helper?
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However, when the e-mails and letters were sent out it has become apparent that nobody who applied for Mod Langs with an aspect of German at Merton was accepted for 2008 entry.
It's no coincidence. None at all, no such thing. It's all a big conspiracy against students studying German.
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So if was wondering if I perhaps had a case to complain if not for failure to be transparent with regards to German applications but misleading information within the prospectus.

Now before some smart a** jumps down my throat saying I wasn't good enough etc and just accept it! I can accept it, however, with such doubts about the system one can do anything but wonder! Congrats to anyone who has an offer!!!!!!!!!
Ok, a serious answer: I'm afraid there are no grounds for complaint here. In collegiate univeristities most colleges will not have a full selection of tutors that specialise in all areas and many borrow interviewers from other colleges. This is common practice and many candidates will have experienced the same thing. Further, assuming for a minute that one external interviewer was prejudiced, the college is responsible for your application and would not allow the word of one interviewer to bias your entire application.

The only gripe here should be against the silly student who made the comment in the first place. They are (usually) specifically told not to say anything about inerviewers, or anything else which might affect your performance. Your own college has the final say over your application.
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