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What are the key differences between the Liberal Democrats and the old Liberal Party?
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The Liberal Party were what we would call today classical liberals. I would say they were firmly centre ground in contrast to the Lib Dems who are centre to centre-left. The Lib Dems are also europhiles, they believe in the EU project whilst the Liberal Party were soft eurosceptics.
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The Liberal Party were what we would call today classical liberals. I would say they were firmly centre ground in contrast to the Lib Dems who are centre to centre-left. The Lib Dems are also europhiles, they believe in the EU project whilst the Liberal Party were soft eurosceptics.
Don't classical liberals believe in interconnectedness between countries as a way to achieve world peace? If so, they should firmly support at least an idea of the EU project if not it's current form.
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The old Liberal Party would never have supported tuition fees.
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Old liberal party members were more loyal to the UK than EU also tuition fees
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What are the key differences between the Liberal Democrats and the old Liberal Party?
The liberal party were seen as a left party that supported some form of social democratic policies, while the Liberal democrats are a centre left pro business, pro-EU party.
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The Liberal Party were what we would call today classical liberals. I would say they were firmly centre ground in contrast to the Lib Dems who are centre to centre-left. The Lib Dems are also europhiles, they believe in the EU project whilst the Liberal Party were soft eurosceptics.
The Liberal Party wasn't classical liberal since at the latest the 1906 administration. Even before then, it has no real unified ideology: it contained a broad consortium of socialists, radicals and the proto-Labourists. They were to the left of the SDP when they united.
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The Liberal Party wasn't classical liberal since at the latest the 1906 administration. Even before then, it has no real unified ideology: it contained a broad consortium of socialists, radicals and the proto-Labourists. They were to the left of the SDP when they united.
When I was saying that I was trying to talk about the Liberal Party around the 20th century.
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The Liberal Party were what we would call today classical liberals. I would say they were firmly centre ground in contrast to the Lib Dems who are centre to centre-left. The Lib Dems are also europhiles, they believe in the EU project whilst the Liberal Party were soft eurosceptics.
The lib dems were taken over by the orange bookers. They are in no way centre left anymore. That died in 2010.

They are just liberal Tories. They support the same incompetent and callous economic project that the Tories support.
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The lib dems were taken over by the orange bookers. They are in no way centre left anymore. That died in 2010.

They are just liberal Tories. They support the same incompetent and callous economic project that the Tories support.
The orange bookers are gone. Now they want to reverse the cuts to corporation tax and capital gains as well as increase income tax to spend... sounds centre-left to me.
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The orange bookers are gone. Now they want to reverse the cuts to corporation tax and capital gains as well as increase income tax to spend... sounds centre-left to me.
Nah, if they were centre left they would have allied with Labour and formed an anti-austerity front against the Tories. There was a small time when Farron became leader where it looked he could imitate Charlse Kennedy and flank Labour to the left but as soon as Corbyn became leader he just joined the right wing of parliament.

Instead they feed into the narrative that labour spend too much. Clegg was an orange booker whilst he was conning students in the 2010 election. The lib dems are liberal Tories who are anti-Brexit. That's it.

Even if there were adopting left wing language I wouldn't trust the ****ers. If they are centre left they have to rule out going in a coalition with the Tories, which they wont. I wouldn't even trust them to not sell out on stopping Brexit if they were in a King maker position in an election.
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The old Liberals under Gladstone were classical liberals but as the country in general fell towards socialism and the Labour Party rose, the Liberals fell to think left and were decimated post war but remained mainly of the left until the merger which in turn only came to the right under Clegg and the other orange bookers.
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Nah, if they were centre left they would have allied with Labour and formed an anti-austerity front against the Tories.
The Tories that were, in the last parliament, more or less implementing Alastair Darling's strategies?

The idea of even a centre-left party now allying with Corbyn is frankly ridiculous.
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