Theresa May 'will campaign to leave the European Convention on Human Rights

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7499951.html

Why is this happening? JFC
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This is terrible and an excuse for harsher criminal laws. I'm not even a massive fan of the ECHR, but the alternative is ten times worse.
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This is terrible and an excuse for harsher criminal laws. I'm not even a massive fan of the ECHR, but the alternative is ten times worse.
There isn’t an actual alternative on the table so how do you know?
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There isn’t an actual alternative on the table so how do you know?
Yes, there is. The British Bill of Rights spoken about by Cameron and Farage.
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Edit: Sorry, wrong thread
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W h a t !!
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Yes, there is. The British Bill of Rights spoken about by Cameron and Farage.
Neither of which are members of parliament...
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Who is she going to campaign to? Herself?
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She's clearly piggybacking off Brexit to withdraw us from this entirely separate institution because they have the annoying habit of stymieing her perverse obsession with spying on every UK citizen.
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(Original post by Captain Haddock)
She's clearly piggybacking off Brexit to withdraw us from this entirely separate institution because they have the annoying habit of stymieing her perverse obsession with spying on every UK citizen.
To be fair I doubt much really happens in her bedroom so it's of no surprise she wants to tap into what the rest of us are getting up to
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It's a good thing actually. Every European state should leave it. Nothing should be above national law made by sovereign parliaments.
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I'm unclear what the problem is. Plenty of perfectly civilised countries are outside the ECHR, and the UK legal system is perfectly capable of protecting what the British want protected.
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I'm unclear what the problem is. Plenty of perfectly civilised countries are outside the ECHR, and the UK legal system is perfectly capable of protecting what the British want protected.
The vast majority of civilized countries not in the ECHR will be signatories of a very similar continental/regional human rights treaty.
Which civilised countries are not in the ECHR or a simialr body?

The aim and idea behind human rights law is that it should be something the government cannot change (or require super-majorities in the legislature to change as in the US). Human rights are supposed to be rights that ordinary people have against the state. The state deciding what they are and weakening them, somewhat weakens that principle.

The European Court of Human Rights has decided cases involving us, in Britain's favour, in over 90% of the cases referred to it.
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I quite happy with this, the "human rights" which the EU supposedly protects include giving free money to people who are unemployed for years at a time and providing large amounts of welfare to people. Of course human rights would be upheld in the UK, what are people smoking on these forums, you'd just be taking away the bureaucracy associated specifically with the EU human rights and some of the negative things which clearly aren't human rights such as the aforementioned. Just cos you are withdrawing from a paper that says you are against torture doesn't mean that the UK will allow torture why are people so dense
The ECHR has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Nothing at all.

They are separate bodies.
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Thats not what I said
You were going on about the EU protecting 'human rights'.

The EU does not protect human rights, the ECHR does. They are separate organisations.

The ECHR says nothing about welfare either.
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You were going on about the EU protecting 'human rights'.

The EU does not protect human rights, the ECHR does. They are separate organisations.

The ECHR says nothing about welfare either.
It does
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It does
No it does not. Their are no enforceable welfare rights.
The ECHR has absolutely nothing to do with the EU.
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What I love is this crackhead notion that somehow the ECHR is instrumental in protecting Human Rights in the UK, and without which we would turn into Iran tomorrow.

Prior to the HRA, was Britain some kind of post-Apocalyptic anarchic state? Before the HRA, did Britain resemble Iran or North Korea?

Or was Britain, as it always has been a model for law and liberty? Compared to half the countries in Europe which were actual fascist or totalitarian states?
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Stop lying and misleading others, it does
I didn't realise that making factually correct statements was now 'lying'.

Do tell me what the EU has to do with the ECHR or human rights law...
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