H&M apologises over 'racist' image of black boy in hoodie Watch

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I dont know why you contribute to this forum. All you're able to do is regurgitate the sarcasm that your favourite alt right youtube personalities do. You're neither original nor clever. Bit sad really.
I'm being deadly serious. And look, I have yet more evidence that H&M are secret fascists.

Here is the owner of the chain, Stefan Persson, performing what looks suspiciously like a Nazi salute. His hand has been conveniently cropped out to make it appear that he was just waving, but I bet you any money his hand was a straight as a board.

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The racists are the ones that can't look at a little black boy with monkey on his chest and not see it as refering to him.
What next, can't show a black kid eating bananas?
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Well it is not racist. It is a kid wearing a jumper....right?
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(Original post by merlynnn)
You'd be right if you completely ignore historic racial discourse associated with black people and monkeys.

I'm not ignoring it but this isn't the 16 th century anymore.Nor is it trigger happy america.This is the 21st century uk (in which everyone is apparently hypersensitive) and I'd like to think we've made a little bit of progress on racism.The president of the USA was black,the mayor of london is muslim and honestly there is far less racism than there used to be.For a massive company to put out an advertising brand comparing little black boys to monkeys is silly.They would destroy their reputation and lose tons of money.I don't think it makes any sense that they would do it deliberately. Clearly someone didn't think it through.
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Monkey has been used to refer to black people for years.
If anyone calls me or refers to me as a monkey - they are racist.
No ifs, no buts.
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very silly on their part
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I'll tell you what is racist, all of you who think you are good and just and then continue to make the link between a black boy and a monkey.
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I'll tell you what is racist, all of you who think you are good and just and then continue to make the link between a black boy and a monkey.
Exactly my point man...No one would bat an eye if it said best lion in the jungle or something
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(Original post by merlynnn)
First of all, you can't assume there was no intention to discriminate. Second of all, racially offensive is the same thing as racist.

This is a complete non-point.
and you can't state that they were being racist either, it's your assumption, you suppose they are being racist without PROOF
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Without facts, we have to make assumptions. You're doing the same thing. It should be clear to see, however, that my assumption is a lot more likely to stand true than yours is, due to the fact that the entire advertising team being racist is incredibly unlikely.

I don't see how it's hard for you to understand tbh. The definition is staring you right in the face. Prejudice also requires intent.
This logic is ridiculous, but I'll roll with it. So, if an inanimate thing cannot have intent, then how can it be racist? I don't see why it's so tough to comprehend that the very nature of racism implies that it has to be intentional, due to the fact that things like discrimination and prejudice have to be intentional and racism means to discriminate or display prejudice toward someone based on their race. There's only so many times I can keep repeating this.
The problem with you is that you're pedantic. Racism and intent are two separate things. If you do or say something racist, but claim it wasnt intentional then by your silly logic that means the original action is no longer racist.

The effect of an action takes precedent over the intent. In this case, the ad campaign may be accidentally racist but its racist nonetheless.
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Who cares?

Even the sjw’s who are complaining are only pretending to care.

This country is totally atomised, balkanised even, by cultural, racial and ethnic divisions and the entire national conversation on the subject revolves around kid’s hoodies.

Pathetic.
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(Original post by Wōden)
I'm being deadly serious. And look, I have yet more evidence that H&M are secret fascists.

Here is the owner of the chain, Stefan Persson, performing what looks suspiciously like a Nazi salute. His hand has been conveniently cropped out to make it appear that he was just waving, but I bet you any money his hand was a straight as a board.

Which of your idols are you desperately copying? I'll have a guess and say PJW.
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and you can't state that they were being racist either, it's your assumption, you suppose they are being racist without PROOF
I never said that they were racist. I said the picture was. Read.
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Exactly my point man...No one would bat an eye if it said best lion in the jungle or something
I think it’s mainly that the black boy is wearing the monkey jumper and the white boy, the survival expert one. Can’t you at least see why some people would be offended?
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(Original post by astutehirstute)
Who cares?

Even the sjw’s who are complaining are only pretending to care.

This country is totally atomised, balkanised even, by cultural, racial and ethnic divisions and the entire national conversation on the subject revolves around kid’s hoodies.

Pathetic.
Couldn’t have said it better. Nice to see that there’s still some people out there who use their brain.
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I think it’s mainly that the black boy is wearing the monkey jumper and the white boy, the survival expert one. Can’t you at least see why some people would be offended?
Yea we can see that some people would be offended, some small-minded, closeted racist, no fun having, gender bending, political correcting, boring ass people would be offended
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(Original post by merlynnn)
First of all, you can't assume there was no intention to discriminate.
why would they intend to discriminate against him?? you think they would use a black child in their advert in order to racial abuse him? makes no sense.
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Yea we can see that some people would be offended, some small-minded, closeted racist, no fun having, gender bending, political correcting, boring ass people would be offended
I’m black and I found it really distasteful and my friends thought the same. We aren’t ‘closeted racist, no fun having, gender bending, political correcting, boring ass people‘. We actually very fun loving, lit people
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why would they intend to discriminate against him?? you think they would use a black child in their advert in order to racial abuse him? makes no sense.
At the same time I'd hope no one's idiotic enough to choose that jumper for the black kid when theyre a major retailer.

Always two sides to the coin.
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And if he was white it would be fine.
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