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It can be said that this is already a reality now. Despite mantras about unity and solidarity, the very NATO cohesion ceased to exist years ago. Only the Baltic States and such eastern European countries like Poland express their full support for anti-Russian views. Some members of the Alliance are in favor of re-establishing the dialogue with Russia while Turkey actually interacts with it at jumping-off ground for military actions in Syria and develops active military-technical cooperation with Russia by entering into a contract for the supply of the S-400 missile systems. NATO leadership, represented by its Secretary General, expresses public interest in close contacts with the Chief of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces, as well as, in expanding the practice of mutual briefings. And judging by the tone and attitudes of Jens Stoltenberg, this is not simply a matter of 'having a cup of tea and talking'.

Washington's grand statements referring to the 'principal' impossibility of dialogue on the normalization of relations with Russia without solving Ukraine's problems are a bit out of tune. That is just such a trend inside NATO now. I mean the situation when the lion's share of anti-Russian rhetoric comes solely from the USA. Moreover, some statements of player characters on the US military-political scene demonstrate the interest in escalating confrontation with Moscow and driving the situation to a critical level. The USA, through its Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, warns its allies of the danger of any advance to contact with Russia without Washington's authorization, threatening even to exclude them from the Alliance if they do not obey.

Could it be stated, based on the above, that there is a split within the North-Atlantic Alliance? Not quite yet, I think. But that is the way things are going. If in the near future the USA does not change negotiation tactics with its European partners, there will be crisis.

The thing is that Europe is tired of following US strict dictates. Countries of old Europe aspire to be more independent. They are long concerned about establishment of own armed forces that could fully substitute NATO. Moreover, a number of influential European politicians even leave open the possibility of creating common Russian-European military defense systems in emphasizing that Russia and Europe are not geopolitical enemies while they face common threats.

It should be understood, however, that in the foreseeable future the changes in relations between NATO and Russia are impossible. And none of the rest of it matters. NATO military alliance is interested in deepening the crisis in the relations with Russia as now it is the only argument that underlines the importance and usefulness of NATO for the Western World. There needs to be an enemy for this military alliance to exist. And now it is Russia.

That is why the United States are so enthusiastic inventing many new threats against which supposedly only North-Atlantic Alliance with its number one 'Russian threat' on the list can protect Europe. Thus, the USA sets the general direction of the NATO anti-Russian vector.
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NATO has served its European members well
America is its most important member.

Russian European military defence system as an alternative? Really?

There doesnt need to be a crisis for it to exist, its been needed in the past and the future is uncertain. Nuclear weapons arent going away anytime soon.
Eastern Europeans have good reason to fear Russia History shows them so.
I wouldnt worry Western Europe doesnt feel under imminent thread and these days people are much more interested in the launch of the latest iphone or the world cup. Russia really isnt on everyones radar, it it is the only other nuclear superpower. maybe some of the European countries are fearful, but then they have reason to be. History tells them that, so you can hardly blame them.
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It can be said that this is already a reality now. Despite mantras about unity and solidarity, the very NATO cohesion ceased to exist years ago. Only the Baltic States and such eastern European countries like Poland express their full support for anti-Russian views. Some members of the Alliance are in favor of re-establishing the dialogue with Russia while Turkey actually interacts with it at jumping-off ground for military actions in Syria and develops active military-technical cooperation with Russia by entering into a contract for the supply of the S-400 missile systems. NATO leadership, represented by its Secretary General, expresses public interest in close contacts with the Chief of the General Staff of Russian Armed Forces, as well as, in expanding the practice of mutual briefings. And judging by the tone and attitudes of Jens Stoltenberg, this is not simply a matter of 'having a cup of tea and talking'.

Washington's grand statements referring to the 'principal' impossibility of dialogue on the normalization of relations with Russia without solving Ukraine's problems are a bit out of tune. That is just such a trend inside NATO now. I mean the situation when the lion's share of anti-Russian rhetoric comes solely from the USA. Moreover, some statements of player characters on the US military-political scene demonstrate the interest in escalating confrontation with Moscow and driving the situation to a critical level. The USA, through its Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, warns its allies of the danger of any advance to contact with Russia without Washington's authorization, threatening even to exclude them from the Alliance if they do not obey.

Could it be stated, based on the above, that there is a split within the North-Atlantic Alliance? Not quite yet, I think. But that is the way things are going. If in the near future the USA does not change negotiation tactics with its European partners, there will be crisis.

The thing is that Europe is tired of following US strict dictates. Countries of old Europe aspire to be more independent. They are long concerned about establishment of own armed forces that could fully substitute NATO. Moreover, a number of influential European politicians even leave open the possibility of creating common Russian-European military defense systems in emphasizing that Russia and Europe are not geopolitical enemies while they face common threats.

It should be understood, however, that in the foreseeable future the changes in relations between NATO and Russia are impossible. And none of the rest of it matters. NATO military alliance is interested in deepening the crisis in the relations with Russia as now it is the only argument that underlines the importance and usefulness of NATO for the Western World. There needs to be an enemy for this military alliance to exist. And now it is Russia.

That is why the United States are so enthusiastic inventing many new threats against which supposedly only North-Atlantic Alliance with its number one 'Russian threat' on the list can protect Europe. Thus, the USA sets the general direction of the NATO anti-Russian vector.
You are quite obviously Russian or working in the interests of that country. Your name is certainly not Carolyn White, given your fractured English. I like Russia and most Russian people I have met, but not you.

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You opened a new account just for this?
NATO has served its European members well
America is its most important member.
During the Cold War, undoubtedly. Since then though? It has caused more problems than it has solved.
Russian European military defence system as an alternative? Really?
Out of interest what do you see as being inherently wrong with the idea?
There doesnt need to be a crisis for it to exist, its been needed in the past and the future is uncertain. Nuclear weapons arent going away anytime soon.
Eastern Europeans have good reason to fear Russia History shows them so.
I wouldnt worry Western Europe doesnt feel under imminent thread and these days people are much more interested in the launch of the latest iphone or the world cup. Russia really isnt on everyones radar, it it is the only other nuclear superpower. maybe some of the European countries are fearful, but then they have reason to be. History tells them that, so you can hardly blame them.
By that logic we should be terrified of France and positively bricking it over Germany...
According to the Americans they've now reclaimed the mantle of general military superpower as well though. But I do agree that Russia isnt a particular threat at this current juncture.

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You are quite obviously Russian or working in the interests of that country. Your name is certainly not Carolyn White, given your fractured English. I like Russia and most Russian people I have met, but not you.

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