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    B1317 - Family by Consent Bill, Aph




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    Recognise that the family we choose is more important, if not more so, than the family we are given.

    1: Adoption
    1) Any 2 people over the age of 18 may agree to become family by adoption, The allowed allowed are:
    I) Adoptive brother/sister
    II) Adoptive parent and child (where the ‘parent’ is at least 16 years older than the child)
    2) In the case of an adoptive parent and child relationship the child is assumed to be an adoptive sibling of all of the parents children unless requirements in section 2 are met.
    3) Each person may only have a maximum of 4 parents at any one time.
    4) Adoptive siblings, parents and children shall enjoy the same rights as those natural born siblings, parents and children respectively.

    2: Disassociation
    1) Any person over the age of 18 may disassociate themselves with any of their family’s or adoptive family at any time.
    I) Consent from the other family member is not required for disassociation.
    2) Upon disassociation the 2 people loose all legal protections and rights in regard to the disassociated person.

    3: Bureau of family associations
    1) Upon commencement of this bill the government shall establish the Bureau of family associations as a subsidiary of the National Archives
    2) The Bureau shall establish forms and procedures for Adoption and Disassociation as mentioned in sections 1 & 2 of this bill, and
    3) The Bureau Shall keep a record of all family associations of British citizens.

    4: Short Title, Extent and Commencement
    1) This Act May be revered to as the Family by Consent Act 2018;
    2) Shall extend to the whole of the United Kingdom, and;
    3) Shall come into force 2 Months after passing.


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    I believe that too much emphasis is put on biology when it comes to determining who or what is family and what isn’t. I’m bringing this bill to dispute that fact as I believe family is about how you feel about a person not what your blood tells you. “The blood of covenant is thicker than the water of the womb” is a very true statement and we just don’t recognise that a friend can be far more like a brother than a biological brother can.
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    Seems like an unnecessary waste of time for civil servant?

    Nay
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    Family is a biological concept with the legal element of adoption used for children whose parents cannot care for them, what this bill describes is friendship.
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    I don't think that this is necessary. I'm also not sure I would feel comfortable with the government having a record of all my familial associations.

    I'd also like to point out a few errors: repetition of "allowed" in section 1 (1), "parents children" needs an apostrophe in section 1 (2), in section 2 (1) this doesn't make sense to me "any of their family’s or adoptive family at any time", "loose" should be "lose" in section 2 (2), "revered" should be "referred" in section 4 (1) and in section 4 (3), "month" does not need a capital.

    I will be voting nay. A bill littered with errors and which seems to be a waste of governmental resources.
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    Mr Speaker,

    In the first case, this bill is poorly written and formatted.

    Secondly, I believe that the nuclear family is the main engine of success and social mobility in our society. The breakdown of this structure has caused a fair deal of our problems, and this bill would exacerbate the problem further.

    Nay.
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    This is a very pointless bill to me, as I don’t see the point of making this law. This would for sure needlessly complicate things when it comes to inheritance without wills, and to be perfectly honest, I think this bill seems to downplay the concept of a family. It will be a nay from me
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    This essentially legislates the "mommy and daddy" game that children play. Nay.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    This essentially legislates the "mommy and daddy" game that children play. Nay.
    This must be that infamous high level debate that you claim to partake in.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    This must be that infamous high level debate that you claim to partake in.
    I thought I was a waste of your time? And here you are responding to me... I guess you're just "obsessed" with me then.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    You are the worst Prime Minister in MHOC history. At least your puppet master LP could formulate arguments without logical fallacies or having them limited to under 10 words.
    What an intelligent debater you are.
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    This just seems to be creating needless paperwork and bureaucracy.
    Nay.
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    While I support the concept behind it, this bill seems quite redundant and meaningless. You get no benefits by being in this kind of relationship, and it's just something in name only.

    If there were benefits to being this family configuration, I would consider voting aye, but currently, I'll be abstaining.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    You are the worst Prime Minister in MHOC history. At least your puppet master LP could formulate arguments without logical fallacies or having them limited to under 10 words.
    If you're trying to hurt my feelings or something then I must say this is a rubbish attempt at it. :rofl: I see you're already settling into the proposed clown party.
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    (Original post by JellyMilk)
    While I support the concept behind it, this bill seems quite redundant and meaningless. You get no benefits by being in this kind of relationship, and it's just something in name only.

    If there were benefits to being this family configuration, I would consider voting aye, but currently, I'll be abstaining.
    I'll respond to this quickly and the rest later.

    this would mean that if you die without a will these adoptive people would inherit part of your estate.

    also, that these adoptive family can act as a legal guardian or have power of attorney and you are incapacitated and you hadn't designated anyone/the person you chose is unavailable.
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    Mr Speaker

    I believe families are important apart of our society this bill seeks to breakdown the structure of families. Families are a biological concept and adoption are for those who cannot be cared for by their biological parents. Secondly I feel this will complicate things when it comes to inheritances. Finally this bill is poorly formatted and written.

    A strong Nay from me.
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    Aph I'm assuming that if one didn't want to adopt family one's family would automatically be one's biological family as at present? If so aye, I don't see any harm in recognising that two non-related individuals can have a family-like bond without it being a romantic/sexual relationship.
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    I agree with the latter part of the bill surrounding disassociation. I don't with the adoption thing - I could aye it if it was just the latter part.
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    Just abolish any legal recognition of family, and introduce a general equitable jurisdiction to allocate property in where there have been allocated roles in a relationship. Simpler.
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    The idea in regards to adoptive brother/sister is interesting, as it could mean in cases of someone 18+ who has no living biological family, or who has severed all ties to their biological family, it could mean they could list these people as next of kin and such. But there is no doubt a much better way to implement what I have said than this bill, in fact I would not be surprised if what I have suggested is already in some way possible.
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    Nay. What a load of meaningless tripe.
 
 
 
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