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Keeping freedom of movement is the top Brexit priority for young people

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I like how one of the top things they said was no Brexit.

Edit: and northern Ireland Literally just that.
Biased LSE study with no actual statistics. If you ask metropolitian middle class students yes they will be very pro-remain but in the majority of the country it's very different and there are a lot of committed working class leavers. Most of that list is either a different issue to brexit or something going against the whole idea of Brexit.

Free movement in the modern EU helps nobody, it depopulates the youth from the Baltic, Eastern and Southern Europe; drives down worker's standards in the UK, creates friction in communities because of the rapid rate. I've absolutely nothing against the people who seek a better life, or students or tourists coming with minimal bureaucracy; but open borders to such diverse countries hasn't worked.
Awkward, that's why people wanted Brexit in the first place.
Original post by Hatter_2
Biased LSE study with no actual statistics. If you ask metropolitian middle class students yes they will be very pro-remain but in the majority of the country it's very different and there are a lot of committed working class leavers. Most of that list is either a different issue to brexit or something going against the whole idea of Brexit.

Free movement in the modern EU helps nobody, it depopulates the youth from the Baltic, Eastern and Southern Europe; drives down worker's standards in the UK, creates friction in communities because of the rapid rate. I've absolutely nothing against the people who seek a better life, or students or tourists coming with minimal bureaucracy; but open borders to such diverse countries hasn't worked.


This is indeed true. Demographically most leavers were part of the older generation. So once they have popped their clogs, it is the youngster who will have to pick up the pieces.
Original post by ByEeek
This is indeed true. Demographically most leavers were part of the older generation. So once they have popped their clogs, it is the youngster who will have to pick up the pieces.


The sooner "eternally youthful" Remoaners like Michael Heseltine and Kenneth Clarke "pop their clogs" the better.
Original post by ByEeek
This is indeed true. Demographically most leavers were part of the older generation. So once they have popped their clogs, it is the youngster who will have to pick up the pieces.


And by the time they have all "popped their cloggs" the current youngsters will probably have seen sense, just like the current older generation who voted remain even more overwhelmingly than in 2016 back in 1975
Original post by Hatter_2
Biased LSE study with no actual statistics. If you ask metropolitian middle class students yes they will be very pro-remain but in the majority of the country it's very different and there are a lot of committed working class leavers. Most of that list is either a different issue to brexit or something going against the whole idea of Brexit.

Free movement in the modern EU helps nobody, it depopulates the youth from the Baltic, Eastern and Southern Europe; drives down worker's standards in the UK, creates friction in communities because of the rapid rate. I've absolutely nothing against the people who seek a better life, or students or tourists coming with minimal bureaucracy; but open borders to such diverse countries hasn't worked.


I'm not sure the young people of Port Talbot, Kirkcaldy or Huddersfield are part of the metropolitan middle class. So either you have a shocking grasp of British geography or are criticising something you haven't bothered to read.
Original post by Sulfolobus
I'm not sure the young people of Port Talbot, Kirkcaldy or Huddersfield are part of the metropolitan middle class. So either you have a shocking grasp of British geography or are criticising something you haven't bothered to read.


Port Talbot and Huddersfield voted to leave, I don't know what point you are trying to make as anyone can selectively pick a few fanatical remainers out of a country of 65 million.

Since you bring up these areas: in Kirkcaldy the fishing industry has been destroyed by the EU Common Fisheries Policy, in Port Talbot when the steelworks is under threat the government can hardly intervene because of EU state aid rules, and across the whole country mass uncontrolled migration has driven wages to the minimum.

It's not hard to see why I am right there were more leavers from working class non-metropolitan areas.
Original post by ByEeek
This is indeed true. Demographically most leavers were part of the older generation. So once they have popped their clogs, it is the youngster who will have to pick up the pieces.


Are you really saying you know more about everything than people twice your age?
Original post by generallee
The sooner "eternally youthful" Remoaners like Michael Heseltine and Kenneth Clarke "pop their clogs" the better.


It can't happen soon enough.
Original post by Jammy Duel
And by the time they have all "popped their cloggs" the current youngsters will probably have seen sense, just like the current older generation who voted remain even more overwhelmingly than in 2016 back in 1975


They won't have any choice. Working and living in Europe as 1.2 million Brits currently do will be off the cards unless they are prepared to go through lengthy immigration processes. The amount of opportunity for those aged 20-40 will be severely reduced post Brexit.

But hey - at least there are loads of construction and service jobs in the UK - oh no - wait, 20,000 people are at risk of losing their jobs after Carillion went bust. If the government can't even award contracts, what chance have we of negotiating Brexit?
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Original post by ByEeek
They won't have any choice. Working and living in Europe as 1.2 million Brits currently do will be off the cards unless they are prepared to go through lengthy immigration processes. The amount of opportunity for those aged 20-40 will be severely reduced post Brexit.

But hey - at least there are loads of construction and service jobs in the UK - oh no - wait, 20,000 people are at risk of losing their jobs after Carillion went bust. If the government can't even award contracts, what chance have we of negotiating Brexit?


1.2m Britons on the continent, is that all? North America has 1.3m despite how hard it is to get a green card with a cap of about half a million issued per year for family of citizens and a third of that for work and IIRC in the tens of thousands for job creating investment in the US economy. Australia alone has over 1.2m and of your 1.2m in the EU over a quarter are in Ireland, the phrase "common travel area" springs to mind
Original post by Jammy Duel
1.2m Britons on the continent, is that all? North America has 1.3m despite how hard it is to get a green card with a cap of about half a million issued per year for family of citizens and a third of that for work and IIRC in the tens of thousands for job creating investment in the US economy. Australia alone has over 1.2m and of your 1.2m in the EU over a quarter are in Ireland, the phrase "common travel area" springs to mind


Fair enought. Never-the-less, it is still an opportunity removed. Build a wall and you trap yourself in.

Give me an example of a country that built a wall around itself and then flourished.
Original post by ByEeek
They won't have any choice. Working and living in Europe as 1.2 million Brits currently do will be off the cards unless they are prepared to go through lengthy immigration processes. The amount of opportunity for those aged 20-40 will be severely reduced post Brexit.

But hey - at least there are loads of construction and service jobs in the UK - oh no - wait, 20,000 people are at risk of losing their jobs after Carillion went bust. If the government can't even award contracts, what chance have we of negotiating Brexit?


Trying to link an individual private company in difficulty to brexit just shows you are looking to use anything to make your europhile stance look good. It's inaccurate anyway, since the government have already guarenteed those jobs will continue.

And the EU took in millions of people from Africa and the Middle East with no checks or proof of their reasons. Many countries have an arrangement to travel visa-free for 60 or 90 days, if UK citizens want to work or live permanently there they will have to apply and that shouldn't be hard based on the past. Or if Verhofstadt's plan goes through, any UK national who wants an EU passport will be able to get one.
Original post by ByEeek
Fair enought. Never-the-less, it is still an opportunity removed. Build a wall and you trap yourself in.

Give me an example of a country that built a wall around itself and then flourished.


Tell us which major leave campaigner advocated anything like building a wall around us?

And overwhelmingly the 150+ independent nations have done far better over the past 20 years than the EU.
What is it with the virtue signalling culture today? You would think, in this day and age, with all the freedom of information people would not perpetuate the herd mentality, unyet somehow social media seems to have amplified it.
Few things which puzzle me about the modern hippie is that they claim to be 'anti establishment', against the elites, and the big banks, yet they gain their entire political opinion from millionaire celebrities such as Russel brand, Lilly Allen etc, people so far removed from reality that, if anything, you should be voting for the person/party whom these ivory tower hypocrites are telling you to avoid.

On one hand they claim to stand for free speech and democracy, but also wish to remain in the biggest 'old boys club' there is, where democracy is pretty much non existent, and attempts to shut down anybody who has the 'wrong opinion', not by means of a fair debate, but by getting them sacked, or banned removed.

The third thing which is strange is that the only people in favour of mass third world and islamic immigration and open borders are the people who would suffer the most by it, gay/women/liberal.
Original post by Hatter_2
Trying to link an individual private company in difficulty to brexit just shows you are looking to use anything to make your europhile stance look good. It's inaccurate anyway, since the government have already guarenteed those jobs will continue.


I was actually comparing the competency of our government to award contract with the competency of out government to negotiate a brexit deal.

Original post by Hatter_2
And the EU took in millions of people from Africa and the Middle East with no checks or proof of their reasons. Many countries have an arrangement to travel visa-free for 60 or 90 days, if UK citizens want to work or live permanently there they will have to apply and that shouldn't be hard based on the past. Or if Verhofstadt's plan goes through, any UK national who wants an EU passport will be able to get one.


Whether we like it, they will come. The question is what do you do with people who have nothing when they arrive? Naturally, some would say you ship them back to where they came from. However, this assumes
a) you can determine where to ship them
b) the country you want to ship them back to will have them

What is your solution?
Original post by jacksparrow1111
What is it with the virtue signalling culture today? You would think, in this day and age, with all the freedom of information people would not perpetuate the herd mentality, unyet somehow social media seems to have amplified it.
Few things which puzzle me about the modern hippie is that they claim to be 'anti establishment', against the elites, and the big banks, yet they gain their entire political opinion from millionaire celebrities such as Russel brand, Lilly Allen etc, people so far removed from reality that, if anything, you should be voting for the person/party whom these ivory tower hypocrites are telling you to avoid.

On one hand they claim to stand for free speech and democracy, but also wish to remain in the biggest 'old boys club' there is, where democracy is pretty much non existent, and attempts to shut down anybody who has the 'wrong opinion', not by means of a fair debate, but by getting them sacked, or banned removed.

The third thing which is strange is that the only people in favour of mass third world and islamic immigration and open borders are the people who would suffer the most by it, gay/women/liberal.


I don't see working class poles, who I have worked with, as the enemy.

Immigrants are more likely to vote for feicly pro LGBT parties like Labour and they only vote for conservative parties when they drop the racism. Win Win.
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Original post by Hatter_2
Tell us which major leave campaigner advocated anything like building a wall around us?

And overwhelmingly the 150+ independent nations have done far better over the past 20 years than the EU.


We have a sea border. Some want to strengthen it with border checks and controls. And of course, if you strengthen a border making it harder for some to get in, by default, you also make it harder for everyone else. I believe there was a time in 2011 when Theresa May decided to strengthen border controls. As a result, queues of up to 6 hours hit returning holiday makers. After a week or so of bad press, the checks were relaxed.

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