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Degree maybe revoked...now what?

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Original post by threeportdrift
Does it though? I've dealt with the academic statues of two universities and in both the BEng wasn't awarded if it was an integrated Masters, you had to pass the exams, but once you'd passed and committed to the MEng, that was the only degree awarded. I understood that was the only way that SFE would agree to pay for the MEng element. It's different for medics who iirc get 2 degrees out of one continuous period of degree study, but I don't think a lost MEng can be taken to automatically default to a BEng in this case.


It certainly does in some if you've passed requisite modules but we don't know which uni and what aspect was 'failed'. The OP would need to check the degree Handbook if a copy was kept.
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Original post by Muttley79
It certainly does in some if you've passed requisite modules but we don't know which uni and what aspect was 'failed'. The OP would need to check the degree Handbook if a copy was kept.


At my university, you fall back on to the BEng. However my full degree is being revoked.

I’m just trying to figure out though, if I managed to get a degree from say the open university in something potentially completely different (probably the only university I’ll get into), would I find it impossible to get a job anyway? Have I basically destroyed my chances of having a job within a field I have studied in?
Original post by Jfrank88
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I'm not sure why you think you can't have a continuing career in engineering. You don't need to do another degree in any subject, and you certainly don't need to change degree subject if you don't want to.

You could speak to the OU about doing a Masters degree, but before that, you need to see how work are going to react.
Original post by Jfrank88
At my university, you fall back on to the BEng. However my full degree is being revoked.

I’m just trying to figure out though, if I managed to get a degree from say the open university in something potentially completely different (probably the only university I’ll get into), would I find it impossible to get a job anyway? Have I basically destroyed my chances of having a job within a field I have studied in?


You have 5 years work experience - that will count for something.

I hope you have got some good advice about challenging this. If it was one module then it sounds very harsh after 5 years.
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Original post by threeportdrift
I'm not sure why you think you can't have a continuing career in engineering. You don't need to do another degree in any subject, and you certainly don't need to change degree subject if you don't want to.

You could speak to the OU about doing a Masters degree, but before that, you need to see how work are going to react.


There is no doubt I’ll be leaving my work.

I guess I could go to the OU to retake my MEng...
Original post by Jfrank88
There is no doubt I’ll be leaving my work.

I guess I could go to the OU to retake my MEng...


OK, well that's not where we started this. You need to speak to your employer about what sort of reference they will give you. They will probably want to mention that they let you go because of the degree issue, but they may also be prepared to offer a full reference, if you've been a decent employee.

Failing that, make connections with colleagues and see if any of them would be prepared to give you a professional reference.

Then you need to look at applying to design engineering roles based on your experience along, and either leaving your degree off completely, or putting it on, but without a grade, and then be prepared to answer the likely questions.

Look up the OU and see if there is a part time Masters you can do. COnsider specialising in something that builds on the last 5 years.
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Original post by Jfrank88
Hi all,

Basically, I have an meng engineering degree and have been working for just over 5 years now upon graduation. I won’t go into details, but it has come to light some cheating during an exam a few years ago took place and it looks like I will lose my degree.

I understand this is totally my fault, I have nobody else to blame, I am ashamed and I am so upset over how I have disappointed my family. However, I have no idea where I will go from now.

I will forever have this revoked degree on my record so will I find it near impossible to get even a simple office job? I was thinking I could work part time in an office and study a course at the open university, then possibly use my future studies to work in the charity sector, however will I even struggle to get anywhere with this route? I’m really lost here! I don’t know how to get round this...

Any help is appreciated
Thank you


How will it leave you? Well you’ll be like everyone else who didn’t go to university, still successful. Be a bit annoying when employers ask what you’ve been doing the past year, you’ll just have to explain.
PS, you deserved to loose your degree, sorry.
I still don't understand how they found out 5 years after the fact or why they would have cared enough to check.
Original post by Waldorf67
How on earth would a uni find out something that happened 5 years ago?!


someone involved probably snitched... ?

:lol:
Usually if you cheat (at university) you get a serious warning, maybe some credits taken off for that module completely then you have to redo/resit the exam BUT to have your whole degree revoked?!!? You must have done something really serious which is probably why you don't want to discuss it?
Original post by trapking
someone involved probably snitched... ?

:lol:


Even then, if the only piece of evidence was the word of the snitch, then it shouldn't be enough to revoke the degree, im fact it may not even start an investigation.

If the investigation was initiated, then OP would have had to cheated a certain way where 5 years later the uni is able to gather enough evidence to revoke his degree.


The only explanation I can think of is that the OP used a essay mill so that someone else does dissertations for him. He submitted the essay (which he didn't make) and no discrepencies were found by the antiplagarism software. However, some unis keep a copy of the dissertation which is added to the antiplagarism database.

It just so happens that someone else, five years later used the same essay mill for the same kind of project(s) that OP had. The essay mill gave the person the same (or a similar) dissertation that OP submitted, and as a result it was flagged by the antiplagarism software. The uni thought that the only logical explanation for this was that it written by someone else.
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Original post by stoyfan
The only explanation I can think of is that the OP used a essay mill so that someone else does dissertations for him.


OP said he cheated in an exam. Perhaps someone else took the exam in his place?

I would be rather surprised if any university would be prepared to award a BEng degree to someone they found had cheated in an MEng exam.

I'd also be surprised if any uni could provide enough evidence to support a claim of cheating in an exam taken 5 years previously.

Like others I want to hear more of this story...
Original post by stoyfan
Even then, if the only piece of evidence was the word of the snitch, then it shouldn't be enough to revoke the degree, im fact it may not even start an investigation.

If the investigation was initiated, then OP would have had to cheated a certain way where 5 years later the uni is able to gather enough evidence to revoke his degree.


The only explanation I can think of is that the OP used a essay mill so that someone else does dissertations for him. He submitted the essay (which he didn't make) and no discrepencies were found by the antiplagarism software. However, some unis keep a copy of the dissertation which is added to the antiplagarism database.

It just so happens that someone else, five years later used the same essay mill for the same kind of project(s) that OP had. The essay mill gave the person the same (or a similar) dissertation that OP submitted, and as a result it was flagged by the antiplagarism software. The uni thought that the only logical explanation for this was that it written by someone else.


Yeah that could be a possibility.

It must have been of quite high severity for them to revoke the whole degree. Perhaps he's also had previous cases of cheating in exams etc.

Anyway I hope it all works in the end for OP (really stupid of him to cheat though but hey we all make mistakes).
Original post by Duncan2012
OP said he cheated in an exam. Perhaps someone else took the exam in his place?

I would be rather surprised if any university would be prepared to award a BEng degree to someone they found had cheated in an MEng exam.

I'd also be surprised if any uni could provide enough evidence to support a claim of cheating in an exam taken 5 years previously.

Like others I want to hear more of this story...


Ahhh, well if he cheated in an exam, then I couldn't think how he could have cheated in a way that the uni can gather enough evidence after 5 years.


Original post by trapking
Yeah that could be a possibility.

It must have been of quite high severity for them to revoke the whole degree. Perhaps he's also had previous cases of cheating in exams etc.

Anyway I hope it all works in the end for OP (really stupid of him to cheat though but hey we all make mistakes).

I'm sorry but if OP cheated on multiple times, then I wouldn't call his actions a mistake. What he did (if he isn't a troll) was pathetic and stupid, and now his living with the consenquences for what has done.
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Original post by Jfrank88
There is no doubt I’ll be leaving my work.

I guess I could go to the OU to retake my MEng...


There is every doubt actually. You have been working there as a valued employee for 5 years. They have invested training and development in your skills. You will be expensive to replace.

Follow the advise of the others, expecially @threeportdrift and also @Muttley79's suggestion of going to the CAB (or your Student Union) - you need good independent advice on this, especially about the possibiity of appealing the university's decision.

And yes you could study through the OU - perhaps even part-time whilst staying in your current role. Note, you won't get SFE funding for tuition though.
Try and keep your job. Explain the situation (maybe not tell the whole truth if it is really that bad) and let’s hope they see your worth. They invested a lot in you so they might keep you if you’re a good employee. You could study on the side.

Edit: wait until everything is confirmed. Do not go to your employer with this story as your degree might not be revoked..
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Original post by Jfrank88
Hi all,

Basically, I have an meng engineering degree and have been working for just over 5 years now upon graduation. I won’t go into details, but it has come to light some cheating during an exam a few years ago took place and it looks like I will lose my degree.

I understand this is totally my fault, I have nobody else to blame, I am ashamed and I am so upset over how I have disappointed my family. However, I have no idea where I will go from now.

I will forever have this revoked degree on my record so will I find it near impossible to get even a simple office job? I was thinking I could work part time in an office and study a course at the open university, then possibly use my future studies to work in the charity sector, however will I even struggle to get anywhere with this route? I’m really lost here! I don’t know how to get round this...

Any help is appreciated
Thank you


It’s been 4 years, what was the outcome of this?

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