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    (Original post by Bloomberg)
    The U.S. government officially entered a partial shutdown early Saturday as Senate Democrats and a handful of Republicans blocked a House-passed bill to fund the government after the two parties failed to break their deadlock over immigration.

    As the midnight passed, senators kept haggling over whether a funding extension shorter than the four-weeks passed by the House might provide a bridge for negotiations.

    With Democrats mostly unified in their opposition and defections in the Republican ranks, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell couldn’t muster the 60 votes needed to get the temporary funding measure to the floor before the deadline to act.

    “What we’ve just witnessed on the floor was a cynical decision by Senate Democrats to shove aside millions of Americans for the sake of irresponsible political games,”

    McConnell said after the voting was finished. McConnell proposed extending funding for three weeks to Feb. 8, a timetable Democrats had previously rejected. No immediate vote was scheduled. Any new funding legislation will require another vote in the House. Lawmakers there, who had been preparing to leave Washington on Friday, will be in session on Saturday.

    Inauguration Anniversary

    With lawmakers unable to reach an agreement on funding, agencies set in motion a partial shutdown, one year from the day President Donald Trump was inaugurated.

    As midnight approached, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders put out a combative statement accusing Democrats and their Senate leader Chuck Schumer of behaving like “obstructionist losers, not legislators” and saying there would be no negotiations until the shutdown ends.

    “Senate Democrats own the Schumer Shutdown,” she said in the statement. “We will not negotiate the status of unlawful immigrants while Democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands.”

    Democrats are demanding legislation to protect undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children and Republicans are setting conditions for border security and enforcement.

    ‘Backed Off’

    Schumer said after the vote that when he met with Trump at the White House earlier Friday, they appeared to have reached the “outline of a deal” on issues including immigration and health care. Instead, he said, Trump folded when he got pushback from Republicans.

    “He backed off at the first sign of pressure,” Schumer said on the Senate floor.

    A day spent on phone calls and meetings, including the face-to-face discussion between Trump and Schumer, briefly raised hopes that a solution was within grasp. But pessimism spread in the Capitol as it was clear no deal had been reached at the White House meeting and the midnight deadline approached.

    “I don’t think anybody knows what’s going to happen next,” Senator John Kennedy, a Louisiana Republican, said earlier Friday, before the vote.

    The White House and federal agencies spent Friday mapping out how to proceed if the deadline passed without an agreement. Some departments revived shutdown plans from the Obama years. The administration wanted as little disruption as possible. For instance, mail will continue to be delivered; airport control towers will be staffed; and the Interior Department hopes to keep the national parks open.

    White House officials from Trump down had put on an optimistic front early in the day.

    “Excellent preliminary meeting in Oval with @SenSchumer,” the president wrote on Twitter, less than seven hours before the midnight deadline.

    Pointing Fingers

    The White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney predicted Republicans and Democrats would strike an agreement before the weekend was out to provide temporary funding for the government that would let federal agencies open on schedule Monday.

    “I think there’s a deal in the next 24 hours,” Mulvaney said on CNN.

    If there’s not, both sides were ready to place blame.

    Schumer blamed the standoff on Trump’s inability to set a clear path and the failure of Republican congressional leaders to deliver on immigration. He said the president is the “single driving force in scuttling bipartisan deals in Congress.”

    Mulvaney, at a White House briefing, said the administration was “preparing for what we’re calling the Schumer Shutdown.” Sanders tweeted out the hashtag #SchumerShutdown.

    One potential way out would be significant progress on immigration among congressional Democrats and Republicans and the White House. Members of Trump’s administration, including Chief of Staff John Kelly and Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, have been shuttling between meetings at the Capitol where members of both parties have been working on a getting a deal.

    Democrats have been demanding that Congress act now to protect the young immigrants who are shielded under the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which Trump plans to end on March 5. Republicans want to pair that issue with stronger border security and restrictions on other immigration programs.

    The House earlier voted 230-197 largely along party lines to pass a bill that would have continued government financing at current levels until Feb. 16. It included a six-year extension of funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program and a delay in implementation of three taxes imposed by the Obama-era Affordable Care Act.

    Representative Charlie Dent, a moderate Republican from Pennsylvania, said there’s no mystery about what is needed to resolve the impasse, since these issues had been on the table since September.

    “Leadership here is going to have to allow a vote on a bipartisan DACA bill -- take the bull by the horns and do it,” Dent said, using the acronym for the immigration program at the center of the standoff. “Because we’re not going to remove ourselves from this treadmill of continuing resolutions until we have a bipartisan budget agreement. And we will not have a bipartisan budget agreement until there is an agreement on DACA.”
    Today happens to mark the first anniversary of Trump's Presidential inauguration. In another first, this technically marks the first shutdown to occur whilst one party holds the Presidency, the House and the Senate (though of course there is the 60 vote rule, four Republicans voted against the bill whilst five Democrats voted in favour of it). The interesting bit will be with whom the American public will attribute this failure to.

    NPR has a nice explanation of what is stopped and what isn't in a partial government shutdown: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/19/57898...nment-shutdown
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    It’s shocking that a political party will block the healthcare of nearly 9 million children to protect illegal immigrants.

    Last time I checked a government was supposed to protect its citizens and the democrats voted against that to try to force through something completely unrelated to government funding.

    If people are unsure how it failed you need 60 votes in the senate where there is 100 seats and the republicans have 51 seats.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    It’s shocking that a political party will block the healthcare of nearly 9 million children to protect illegal immigrants.

    Last time I checked a government was supposed to protect its citizens and the democrats voted against that to try to force through something completely unrelated to government funding.

    If people are unsure how it failed you need 60 votes in the senate where there is 100 seats and the republicans have 51 seats.
    You have a lot to learn about politics. If you lack the numbers, you have to be willing to compromise. The Republicans weren't. Hell, they couldn't even convince all their own senators to vote in favour of the bill.
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    (Original post by Sulfolobus)
    You have a lot to learn about politics. If you lack the numbers, you have to be willing to compromise. The Republicans weren't. Hell, they couldn't even convince all their own senators to vote in favour of the bill.
    Compromise doesn’t mean folding, there is no reason for the democrats to threaten the lives of people to protect illegal immigrants, there is compromise in the bill it just doesn’t include unrelated things.

    Democrats have said themselves that people will die if the government shuts down and yet they have voted for that to happen.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Compromise doesn’t mean folding, there is no reason for the democrats to threaten the lives of people to protect illegal immigrants, there is compromise in the bill it just doesn’t include unrelated things.
    This is much bigger than illegal immigrants. You are simply making the debate emotive whilst trying to push your own political views.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    This is much bigger than illegal immigrants. You are simply making the debate emotive whilst trying to push your own political views.
    What part do they oppose? It’s daca which is about illegal immigrants that they want including which is not a funding issue, the people who suffer most from this is the average working American and the kids who have no health insurance because the democrats voted against it to protect illegal immigrants.

    DACA shouldn’t be in any part of this discussion but the democrats refuse to vote for anything that doesn’t include it.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    DACA shouldn’t be in any part of this discussion but the democrats refuse to vote for anything that doesn’t include it.
    It is called politics. Sure, democrats are using this particular measure, but given that the US economy depends on illegal immigrants, it is a massive thing. There are people who have been born in the US 20 years ago but who are not recognised. You can't tell them to go home. Where would you send them. It isn't a black and white issue where the answer is simple "Illegals go home".

    But it is much more than that. Trump is currently wrecking the US and anything the democrats can do to unseat him they will do, just as the Republicans unilaterally blocked every piece of legislation proposed by Obama regardless of how good it was.

    America is in a rather sad state at present where the needs of the nation seem to be running secondary to the ego of Trump (one) and the partisan battles in congress / senate (two).

    Trump said he would drain the swamp. He now is the swamp.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    It’s shocking that a political party will block the healthcare of nearly 9 million children to protect illegal immigrants.

    Last time I checked a government was supposed to protect its citizens and the democrats voted against that to try to force through something completely unrelated to government funding.

    If people are unsure how it failed you need 60 votes in the senate where there is 100 seats and the republicans have 51 seats.
    Polls strongly indicate that Americans will blame a shutdown on Trump and the GOP rather than Democrats. And btw, even if they only needed 51 votes, they still probably wouldn't be able to pass it - the Republicans are not united on this.

    Jason Kander tweeted this, hilarious:

    The President said he was going to run America like his businesses. Apparently we have reached the part where he would usually just declare bankruptcy and run away.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    It is called politics. Sure, democrats are using this particular measure, but given that the US economy depends on illegal immigrants, it is a massive thing. There are people who have been born in the US 20 years ago but who are not recognised. You can't tell them to go home. Where would you send them. It isn't a black and white issue where the answer is simple "Illegals go home".

    But it is much more than that. Trump is currently wrecking the US and anything the democrats can do to unseat him they will do, just as the Republicans unilaterally blocked every piece of legislation proposed by Obama regardless of how good it was.

    America is in a rather sad state at present where the needs of the nation seem to be running secondary to the ego of Trump (one) and the partisan battles in congress / senate (two).

    Trump said he would drain the swamp. He now is the swamp.
    The American economy says otherwise and yes it is black and white the democrats are willing to let Americans die (A Democrat said people would die) to protect illegal immigrants.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    The American economy says otherwise and yes it is black and white the democrats are willing to let Americans die (A Democrat said people would die) to protect illegal immigrants.
    No they are not. Which Americans will die because of this?
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Polls strongly indicate that Americans will blame a shutdown on Trump and the GOP rather than Democrats. And btw, even if they only needed 51 votes, they still probably wouldn't be able to pass it - the Republicans are not united on this.

    Jason Kander tweeted this, hilarious:

    The President said he was going to run America like his businesses. Apparently we have reached the part where he would usually just declare bankruptcy and run away.
    I’m wondering where you get that from considering even CNN’s poll says that more people blame the democrats in the senate than trump.

    Very funny tweet but let’s get serious here the democrats voted for American children to die, do you not think it’s a problem? Fienstein is the one who said people will die not me.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    No they are not. Which Americans will die because of this?
    Well for a start there are 9 million kids with no health insurance because the democrats voted against it.

    Democrats said it would happen, here is the headline of a cnn article Feinstein warns people will die if the government shuts down, yet they voted for it are you saying the democrats or cnn are liars?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I’m wondering where you get that from considering even CNN’s poll says that more people blame the democrats in the senate than trump.

    Very funny tweet but let’s get serious here the democrats voted for American children to die, do you not think it’s a problem? Fienstein is the one who said people will die not me.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/...ml?tid=a_mcntx

    "A 48 percent plurality says Trump and congressional Republicans are mainly responsible for the situation resulting from disagreements over immigration laws and border security, while 28 percent fault Democrats. A sizable 18 percent volunteer that both parties are equally responsible. Political independents drive the lopsided margin of blame, saying by 46 to 25 percent margin that Republicans and Trump are responsible for the situation."

    The Republicans couldn't even get a simple majority, let alone the required 60. I repeat, the GOP are not united on this. It will be very hard to blame this on the Dems.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/...ml?tid=a_mcntx

    "A 48 percent plurality says Trump and congressional Republicans are mainly responsible for the situation resulting from disagreements over immigration laws and border security, while 28 percent fault Democrats. A sizable 18 percent volunteer that both parties are equally responsible. Political independents drive the lopsided margin of blame, saying by 46 to 25 percent margin that Republicans and Trump are responsible for the situation."

    The Republicans couldn't even get a simple majority, let alone the required 60. I repeat, the GOP are not united on this. It will be very hard to blame this on the Dems.
    Ah so your source uses trump and people in congress in one group, I wonder what they are separately.

    I looked at http://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/19/po...aca/index.html

    Dems 31
    Reps 26
    Trump 21
    All of them 10

    The American public don’t want their representatives putting illegal immigrants in front of them, the heat is going to turn up on the democrats the longer this goes on.

    The vote ended 50-49 so had the majority of votes
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Well for a start there are 9 million kids with no health insurance because the democrats voted against it.
    I can't respond to this simplistic statement. I don't even know what it means. Are you really suggesting the democrats sat down one day had a chat and decided that they were going to act such that 9 million kids in the US would have no access to healthcare? Is that what you are saying because that is how it sounds.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    The vote ended 50-49 so had the majority of votes
    But that isn't a simple majority (51). Five Republicans voted against it, if the Reps can't even get their own side to back it, why should anyone blame the Dems?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Democrats said it would happen, here is the headline of a cnn article Feinstein warns people will die if the government shuts down, yet they voted for it are you saying the democrats or cnn are liars?
    So who is to blame? The Democrats for opposing or the Republicans for not making concessions? I would point the finger at both.

    Didn't the Republicans force a government shutdown under Obama?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I can't respond to this simplistic statement. I don't even know what it means. Are you really suggesting the democrats sat down one day had a chat and decided that they were going to act such that 9 million kids in the US would have no access to healthcare? Is that what you are saying because that is how it sounds.
    I’m saying that last night they voted against funding healthcare for 9 million children to try to protect illegal immigrants.
 
 
 

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