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We should be using this thread for amendments and looking for seconders. It's under utilized.

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This amendment is intended to rename SoIs, and clarify the procedure surrounding them and general statements, because there is more confusion than ideal. It's not intended to make significant changes to the way in which the House operates:

Statements of Intent and Statements Amendment
Proposed by: Saracen's Fez MP (Labour)
Seconded by: 04MR17 MP (Liberal), mr T 999 MP (NCP)

This House would amend the Guidance Document as follows:

Remove the following section:

Statements of Intent and Departmental Reviews
1) Statements of intent (SoIs) are submitted by the Government to set out its plans and policies. These differ from the general term “statements”, which refers to any statement made by any individual or organisation to the House.
2) Any Minister may submit an SoI proposing action by their Department. This action may or may not require primary legislation in order to be realised.
3) Each SoI can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First Reading – Two days minimum, Six days maximum (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second Reading – One day minimum, Four days maximum (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – One day minimum, Three days maximum
4) SoIs are generally expected to cover one specific area of the Department’s remit. However, Departments are encouraged to submit one specific SoI each per term which shall be considered a Departmental Review. These should cover all areas of the Department’s remit.
5) The Treasury Departmental Review is the Budget.
6) Proposals contained in SoIs that the Speaker adjudges not to require primary legislation to be enacted are deemed passed when the SoI’s cessation period ends, unless the SoI is blocked.
7) SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker. The members who may do so are the Minister whose Department submitted the SoI, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.
8) SoIs which do not pass the vote are considered blocked.

And replace with the following sections:

Ministerial Reports
1) Should a minister wish to change government policy using their executive powers, they must do so by submitting a Ministerial Report detailing the changes they wish to make.
2) A Ministerial Report can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First reading – Six days (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second reading – Four days (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – Three days
3) Ministerial Reports may cover one aspect of the minister’s portfolio, or a wider overview of it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer may produce one Budget Report per term, which shall be treated as any other Ministerial Report.
4) The nature of policy-making means some policies included within a Ministerial Report may fall outside executive powers. The Speaker will identify any such policies, and they cannot be implemented unless an appropriate bill is passed.
5) A Ministerial Report may be sent to vote at any point during its cessation period. The people who may do so are the relevant minister, the Prime Minister, and the Leader of the Opposition.
6) Should a Ministerial Report not be sent to vote, it will pass at the end of its cessation period.
7) Any Ministerial Report that does not pass its vote is deemed to have failed, and the policies set out within it will not be implemented.

Statements
1) Any user may make a formal statement to the House with the permission of the Speaker.
2) Statements will be debated for six days.
3) No votes may be taken on statements, and they will not directly alter government policy.
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(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
This amendment is intended to rename SoIs, and clarify the procedure surrounding them and general statements, because there is more confusion than ideal. It's not intended to make significant changes to the way in which the House operates:

Statements of Intent and Statements Amendment
Proposed by: Saracen's Fez MP (Labour)
Seconded by:

This House would amend the Guidance Document as follows:

Remove the following section:

Statements of Intent and Departmental Reviews
1) Statements of intent (SoIs) are submitted by the Government to set out its plans and policies. These differ from the general term “statements”, which refers to any statement made by any individual or organisation to the House.
2) Any Minister may submit an SoI proposing action by their Department. This action may or may not require primary legislation in order to be realised.
3) Each SoI can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First Reading – Two days minimum, Six days maximum (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second Reading – One day minimum, Four days maximum (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – One day minimum, Three days maximum
4) SoIs are generally expected to cover one specific area of the Department’s remit. However, Departments are encouraged to submit one specific SoI each per term which shall be considered a Departmental Review. These should cover all areas of the Department’s remit.
5) The Treasury Departmental Review is the Budget.
6) Proposals contained in SoIs that the Speaker adjudges not to require primary legislation to be enacted are deemed passed when the SoI’s cessation period ends, unless the SoI is blocked.
7) SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker. The members who may do so are the Minister whose Department submitted the SoI, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.
8) SoIs which do not pass the vote are considered blocked.

And replace with the following sections:

Ministerial Reports
1) Should a minister wish to change government policy using their executive powers, they must do so by submitting a Ministerial Report detailing the changes they wish to make.
2) A Ministerial Report can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First reading – Six days (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second reading – Four days (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – Three days
3) Ministerial Reports may cover one aspect of the minister’s portfolio, or a wider overview of it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer may produce one Budget Report per term, which shall be treated as any other Ministerial Report.
4) The nature of policy-making means some policies included within a Ministerial Report may fall outside executive powers. The Speaker will identify any such policies, and they cannot be implemented unless an appropriate bill is passed.
5) A Ministerial Report may be sent to vote at any point during its cessation period. The people who may do so are the relevant minister, the Prime Minister, and the Leader of the Opposition.
6) Should a Ministerial Report not be sent to vote, it will pass at the end of its cessation period.
7) Any Ministerial Report that does not pass its vote is deemed to have failed, and the policies set out within it will not be implemented.

Statements
1) Any user may make a formal statement to the House with the permission of the Speaker.
2) Statements will be debated for six days.
3) No votes may be taken on statements, and they will not directly alter government policy.
I'll second.
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(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
This amendment is intended to rename SoIs, and clarify the procedure surrounding them and general statements, because there is more confusion than ideal. It's not intended to make significant changes to the way in which the House operates:

Statements of Intent and Statements Amendment
Proposed by: Saracen's Fez MP (Labour)
Seconded by: 04MR17 MP (Liberal)

This House would amend the Guidance Document as follows:

Remove the following section:

Statements of Intent and Departmental Reviews
1) Statements of intent (SoIs) are submitted by the Government to set out its plans and policies. These differ from the general term “statements”, which refers to any statement made by any individual or organisation to the House.
2) Any Minister may submit an SoI proposing action by their Department. This action may or may not require primary legislation in order to be realised.
3) Each SoI can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First Reading – Two days minimum, Six days maximum (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second Reading – One day minimum, Four days maximum (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – One day minimum, Three days maximum
4) SoIs are generally expected to cover one specific area of the Department’s remit. However, Departments are encouraged to submit one specific SoI each per term which shall be considered a Departmental Review. These should cover all areas of the Department’s remit.
5) The Treasury Departmental Review is the Budget.
6) Proposals contained in SoIs that the Speaker adjudges not to require primary legislation to be enacted are deemed passed when the SoI’s cessation period ends, unless the SoI is blocked.
7) SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker. The members who may do so are the Minister whose Department submitted the SoI, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.
8) SoIs which do not pass the vote are considered blocked.

And replace with the following sections:

Ministerial Reports
1) Should a minister wish to change government policy using their executive powers, they must do so by submitting a Ministerial Report detailing the changes they wish to make.
2) A Ministerial Report can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First reading – Six days (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second reading – Four days (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – Three days
3) Ministerial Reports may cover one aspect of the minister’s portfolio, or a wider overview of it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer may produce one Budget Report per term, which shall be treated as any other Ministerial Report.
4) The nature of policy-making means some policies included within a Ministerial Report may fall outside executive powers. The Speaker will identify any such policies, and they cannot be implemented unless an appropriate bill is passed.
5) A Ministerial Report may be sent to vote at any point during its cessation period. The people who may do so are the relevant minister, the Prime Minister, and the Leader of the Opposition.
6) Should a Ministerial Report not be sent to vote, it will pass at the end of its cessation period.
7) Any Ministerial Report that does not pass its vote is deemed to have failed, and the policies set out within it will not be implemented.

Statements
1) Any user may make a formal statement to the House with the permission of the Speaker.
2) Statements will be debated for six days.
3) No votes may be taken on statements, and they will not directly alter government policy.
What's the purpose of this amendment?
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What's the purpose of this amendment?
To rename SoIs so they don't get confused easily with statements, and clarify exactly what SoIs are for (the means by which ministers can exercise their executive powers).
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To rename SoIs so they don't get confused easily with statements, and clarify exactly what SoIs are for (the means by which ministers can exercise their executive powers).
Seems reasonable put my name down as a seconder.
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Using this account to get its post count up

Anyone want to support an amendment to allow MPs to opt out of PMs at the speakers discretion? Essentially moving that to the GD.
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(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
This amendment is intended to rename SoIs, and clarify the procedure surrounding them and general statements, because there is more confusion than ideal. It's not intended to make significant changes to the way in which the House operates:

Statements of Intent and Statements Amendment
Proposed by: Saracen's Fez MP (Labour)
Seconded by: 04MR17 MP (Liberal), mr T 999 MP (NCP)

This House would amend the Guidance Document as follows:

Remove the following section:

Statements of Intent and Departmental Reviews
1) Statements of intent (SoIs) are submitted by the Government to set out its plans and policies. These differ from the general term “statements”, which refers to any statement made by any individual or organisation to the House.
2) Any Minister may submit an SoI proposing action by their Department. This action may or may not require primary legislation in order to be realised.
3) Each SoI can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First Reading – Two days minimum, Six days maximum (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second Reading – One day minimum, Four days maximum (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – One day minimum, Three days maximum
4) SoIs are generally expected to cover one specific area of the Department’s remit. However, Departments are encouraged to submit one specific SoI each per term which shall be considered a Departmental Review. These should cover all areas of the Department’s remit.
5) The Treasury Departmental Review is the Budget.
6) Proposals contained in SoIs that the Speaker adjudges not to require primary legislation to be enacted are deemed passed when the SoI’s cessation period ends, unless the SoI is blocked.
7) SoIs may be sent to vote at any point during their cessation period by notifying the Speaker. The members who may do so are the Minister whose Department submitted the SoI, the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition.
8) SoIs which do not pass the vote are considered blocked.

And replace with the following sections:

Ministerial Reports
1) Should a minister wish to change government policy using their executive powers, they must do so by submitting a Ministerial Report detailing the changes they wish to make.
2) A Ministerial Report can undergo a maximum of three readings:
(a) First reading – Six days (with an additional 48-hour extension if requested)
(b) Second reading – Four days (with an additional 24-hour extension if requested)
(c) Third reading – Three days
3) Ministerial Reports may cover one aspect of the minister’s portfolio, or a wider overview of it. The Chancellor of the Exchequer may produce one Budget Report per term, which shall be treated as any other Ministerial Report.
4) The nature of policy-making means some policies included within a Ministerial Report may fall outside executive powers. The Speaker will identify any such policies, and they cannot be implemented unless an appropriate bill is passed.
5) A Ministerial Report may be sent to vote at any point during its cessation period. The people who may do so are the relevant minister, the Prime Minister, and the Leader of the Opposition.
6) Should a Ministerial Report not be sent to vote, it will pass at the end of its cessation period.
7) Any Ministerial Report that does not pass its vote is deemed to have failed, and the policies set out within it will not be implemented.

Statements
1) Any user may make a formal statement to the House with the permission of the Speaker.
2) Statements will be debated for six days.
3) No votes may be taken on statements, and they will not directly alter government policy.
I support that as well, so if you don't mind me submitting it as a speakers amendment that's enough support to put it up tomorrow if you would like?
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I support that as well, so if you don't mind me submitting it as a speakers amendment that's enough support to put it up tomorrow if you would like?
Yep, we can do that. :yy:
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Using this account to get its post count up

Anyone want to support an amendment to allow MPs to opt out of PMs at the speakers discretion? Essentially moving that to the GD.
Snufkin
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Snufkin
I honestly considered calling it the Snufkin amendment xD
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Using this account to get its post count up

Anyone want to support an amendment to allow MPs to opt out of PMs at the speakers discretion? Essentially moving that to the GD.
No, when it was at the speakers discretion someone didn’t accept it and ran to higher ups which just caused trouble, this way everyone knows what is required to be an mp and there is no place to cause trouble.
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No, when it was at the speakers discretion someone didn’t accept it and ran to higher ups which just caused trouble, this way everyone knows what is required to be an mp and there is no place to cause trouble.
I'll post it up when I'm on a computer but it does make it clear that it is the speakers right to refuse to remove someone from the list. It is absurd that as it stands at the moment I have to refuse to do something that would cause me no difficulty to do and which would effect nobody else.
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I'll post it up when I'm on a computer but it does make it clear that it is the speakers right to refuse to remove someone from the list. It is absurd that as it stands at the moment I have to refuse to do something that would cause me no difficulty to do and which would effect nobody else.
It won’t stop people trying to go above you to force what they want on the speaker, the original case involved a member going to the speaker the speaker saying no so they went above the speaker who then told the speaker that he would be removing him from the PMs, your amendment would not mean that the speaker has the final say as has been demonstrated previously.
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It won’t stop people trying to go above you to force what they want on the speaker, the original case involved a member going to the speaker the speaker saying no so they went above the speaker who then told the speaker that he would be removing him from the PMs, your amendment would not mean that the speaker has the final say as has been demonstrated previously.
Debate it when it's up. Not here.
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A2XX - Leaving opting out of daily updated to the discretion of the speakerProposed by: DayneD89 (Speaker)
Seconded by: PetrosAC (Lib)

This house shall adjust the Constitution as follows:

Section 4.6 including 4.6.1 will be removed from the constitution
4.6 May not opt out of receiving the update PMs from the Speaker.

4.6.1 Any MP who refuses to receive the PM must be replaced within 48 hours by their party leader.


This house shall adjust the Constitution as follows:
Clause (21) will be added to the MP section of the Guidance Document

(21) The option for MPs to opt out of recieving daily updates, or for non-MPs to opt in to reciving the updates is at the discretion of the Speaker.

NotesThis amendment aims to maintain the ability for speakers to refuse to remove MPs from the daily update list if they want, while also allowing those who are willing to do so. This policy was implemented to address a problem at the time, but by putting it in the constitution rather than the guidance document it has now tied my hands in an unintended way. With my bot now sending daily PMs the requirement for me to check who is unable to receive PMs now creates more work for the speaker rather than less. As SpeakerBot is able to handle adding and removing people with ease it makes sense for me to allow that to happen, while keeping this section in the GD allows for the speaker to use their discretion if the situation changes.
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A2XX - Leaving opting out of daily updated to the discretion of the speakerProposed by: DayneD89 (Speaker)
Seconded by:

This house shall adjust the Constitution as follows:

Section 4.6 including 4.6.1 will be removed from the constitution
4.6 May not opt out of receiving the update PMs from the Speaker.

4.6.1 Any MP who refuses to receive the PM must be replaced within 48 hours by their party leader.


This house shall adjust the Constitution as follows:
Clause (21) will be added to the MP section of the Guidance Document

(21) The option for MPs to opt out of recieving daily updates, or for non-MPs to opt in to reciving the updates is at the discretion of the Speaker.

NotesThis amendment aims to maintain the ability for speakers to refuse to remove MPs from the daily update list if they want, while also allowing those who are willing to do so. This policy was implemented to address a problem at the time, but by putting it in the constitution rather than the guidance document it has now tied my hands in an unintended way. With my bot now sending daily PMs the requirement for me to check who is unable to receive PMs now creates more work for the speaker rather than less. As SpeakerBot is able to handle adding and removing people with ease it makes sense for me to allow that to happen, while keeping this section in the GD allows for the speaker to use their discretion if the situation changes.
Happy to second
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A2XX - Leaving opting out of daily updated to the discretion of the speakerProposed by: DayneD89 (Speaker)
Seconded by: PetrosAC (Lib)

This house shall adjust the Constitution as follows:

Section 4.6 including 4.6.1 will be removed from the constitution
4.6 May not opt out of receiving the update PMs from the Speaker.

4.6.1 Any MP who refuses to receive the PM must be replaced within 48 hours by their party leader.


This house shall adjust the Constitution as follows:
Clause (21) will be added to the MP section of the Guidance Document

(21) The option for MPs to opt out of recieving daily updates, or for non-MPs to opt in to reciving the updates is at the discretion of the Speaker.

NotesThis amendment aims to maintain the ability for speakers to refuse to remove MPs from the daily update list if they want, while also allowing those who are willing to do so. This policy was implemented to address a problem at the time, but by putting it in the constitution rather than the guidance document it has now tied my hands in an unintended way. With my bot now sending daily PMs the requirement for me to check who is unable to receive PMs now creates more work for the speaker rather than less. As SpeakerBot is able to handle adding and removing people with ease it makes sense for me to allow that to happen, while keeping this section in the GD allows for the speaker to use their discretion if the situation changes.
Call it the Snufkin clause would have been a shorter name
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