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Original post by NishanR
It might be unnecessary, but I'm not looking at it from a practical point of view. I'm not being optimistic at all aha, I'm just trying to grasp an understanding. I do understand how big a jump it is, as I have a sister doing A-Levels, plus numerous other people I know doing A-Levels. I can definitely handle 4. I'm very good at remembering things, so I feel like 5 would be just manageable.


Ok good luck.
Original post by NishanR
Well, why should I take no for an answer? :smile:


...because multiple people have stated with experience it's a bad and impractical idea? This is called "confirmation bias".

A medic, and later a doctor, has to sacrifice many things they would like to do for the sake of practicality and benefit of others. That by and large includes A Level choices, if one wants a realistic chance of getting into Medicine even for those only presenting three A Levels.

I would stress, as other have said before, that you're being too optimistic with this because you have no experience past GCSE, where it's absolutely possible to take on a number of subjects at once. Only hearing what you want to, stubbornly or optimistically, is an awful mindset to be in facing a career - lifestyle, even - that will not afford you the luxury to be impractical for the sake of it.

I apologise if this is harsh, but I can't think of much worse if you want to do Medicine than trying to present five A Levels when only three are ever needed or counted. Five AS Levels, possibly. Five A2s, no.
Original post by NishanR
. I do understand how big a jump it is, as I have a sister doing A-Levels, plus numerous other people I know doing A-Levels.


You clearly don't...
Hey!

I do Further Maths, Maths, Physics, Chemistry, whilst selfstudying AS CompSci at home!

What I'd say is that whilst these A Levels certainly are a bunch of hardwork, and while you may not have as much time as say others who do 4 or 3 A Levels, it's all about time-management, if you can do that then you will succeed at A Levels.

Especially for your school, and especially for those specific subjects, workload is diminished. For instance:

You're doing all of Maths in the first year, along with your 3 other subjects, once you've done that you will have FM and 3 (or 2 subs if you drop a science) to do in the 2nd year, that way you never really truly feel the weight of a full 5 A Levels, at any point in time, you're doing 4. Especially for FM/Maths, if you've got a passion for Maths, have an aptitude for it and did all of the A Level in Y12, then FM will be a healthy step forward, usually when doing this kind of Math, the workload diminishes a bit, I do FM and Maths in the same year in my school and honestly the workload felt much lighter.

I wish you the best of luck, any questions and you can shoot them over.
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Original post by NishanR
Hi! My name's Nishan, and this is my first post here!

I want to study Medicine preferably at Oxbridge.

Choices: Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths and Further Maths.

I'm a fairly bright lad, targeted all grade 9s (bar the two subjects that don’t use the new 9-1 system, in which I’m targeted an A* in both).

I can soak up information like a sponge too, and I really enjoy learning.

Okay, so the topic of discussion is whether or not 5 A-Levels is a bad idea, and I just wanted to speak to some people who did more than 4 A-Levels.

I've seen many people go:

"phwoar 5 A-Levels man just drop 2 of em cause Unis don't care cause they just look at 3"

"man that's too much work"

"waste of time"

too hard"


I can't disclose the main sixth form that I want to go to, but I've gotten mixed opinions from them about doing 5 A-Levels.

Personally, I feel like doing more would be more enjoyable for me as I like flicking between things.

I spoke to many teachers at the school, and the headteacher.

Some of the teachers supported it, but they said I should think about reconsidering.

Others said if I can do it and put in the work, then I should go for it.

As I said, I spoke to the headteacher. It was only a quick chat, and he didn't listen to my choices. He said that there would be timetable issues.

However, I spoke to the teachers of the subjects I want to choose, and they said it would be possible.

From what I was told by the teachers, my chosen subjects complement each other well.

Apparently, at the sixth form I want to go to if you do Maths and Further Maths you take Maths in the first year and you take Further Maths in the second year.

From my understanding, it is recommended that you do 4-6 hours of self-study a week per subject.

5 A-Levels would equate to at least 20 hours a week, but I would most likely do 25 hours per week (so 5 per subject) to do better. Not only that, but I’d have to do more at home as I’d lose out on all free periods, so I’d have to do that bit more at home.

I could manage if I do 3 hours each evening and 5 hours each day of the weekend.

Flicking through some of the textbooks I saw that a lot from GCSEs comes up to A-Level.

I can absorb information really well. If I’m told something in class, even if I’m fidgeting with a pen or something and only half listening, all I need to do is read it from a book and I can usually remember it.

The maths teacher at the sixth form did 5 himself. He said he did 4 A-Levels plus a subject like General Studies (he said it was a “noddy subject”, sort of like General Studies, yet not). Also, I know a Chinese lady who did 6 A-Levels. She had to do General Studies or Religious Studies, but she chose one as a compulsory subject, and then she just chose to do the other. Also, I think she did Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Maths alongside those two (but I was told this ages ago, and she didn’t really say much on the matter, so it was hard to pick up on what she had said).

From what I’ve heard, many public schools have an average of 4-5 A-Levels, whereas state schools have an average of 3-4.

I know there’s no benefit really to doing 5 A-Levels; I want to do 5 A-Levels because I enjoy each subject, I like a challenge, and I think I can do it. Also having more A-Levels and GCSEs can be a ‘wow factor’ for Uns. I plan on doing a GCSE in Statistics possibly in September even.

I’m in year 11 at the minute, and I know many will say “well you’ve never seen, and there’s a lot to do at A-Levels”, but I have a sister who’s doing 3 A-Levels + a specialised course outside that is equivalent to an A-Level and more, and I don’t think the workload would be that horrific for me personally.

If I can’t do 5 A-Levels at the sixth form I want to go to, then I’ll just do Biology, Chemistry, Physics Maths, but do a lot of Maths revision to try and get through the syllabus early, and then say “well, look, I’ve finished the syllabus, please could you enter me in early and then that way I can still do Further Maths next year?”

So, to conclude:

What are your opinions on the matter?

What A-Levels did you do?

If you did 5 A-Levels, what was it like?

What are some tips if I do end up doing 5 A-Levels?


Thanks,

Nishan


YES, finally somebody else who wants to do 4-5 A Levels! I don't know that many boys who are good academically and who want to do more than 3 A levels, good for you! I'm currently in Year 10, so I can't advise you about the other stuff, but I don't think it's bad at all putting in more effort. I am also a very high achiever. I want to do Double Maths(Further Maths and Maths), Economics, Computer Science and Business Studies, and I too want to go to Oxbridge(but to do Maths). My Uncle, Dad and Cousin all went to/are at Oxbridge Universities, and my Cousin did 5 A levels too, and she found it stressful but rewarding, as she got 4 A*'s and an A, and got into Cambridge. My uncle did his 3 A Level's while he was in Year 10-11, and got 3 A's(A* didn't exist then), and got into Oxford at 16, and came top of his year in Maths(but I don't recommend that, as he was mentally gifted), but you sound pretty smart and hard working, so you could start Maths early. Do 5 A levels, and start Maths early if you want, I think you should go for it! Good luck!
You seem like you could definitely manage 5 a levels. Our school used to offer the option to take 5 a levels in fact (but 2 of them had to be maths and further maths) but not any more. I think that’s because most people dropped one of them within a few weeks/months because of the workload so that’s definitely something to consider. But if you love the subjects you’re planning to take at a level, I would say why not take them? Start with 5 and you can always drop one (or 2) of them if you can’t manage it.
Original post by Zoqua
I'm currently in Year 10, so I can't advise you about the other stuff,

As you say, you also have no experience with the step up A Levels are.

Original post by Zoqua
but I don't think it's bad at all putting in more effort.

Wanting to do Medicine means it becomes less about "putting in more effort" and being more logistical so you actually can get an offer.

Original post by Zoqua
I want to do Double Maths(Further Maths and Maths), Economics, Computer Science and Business Studies, and I too want to go to Oxbridge(but to do Maths).

You're fine, because Maths and F.Maths are normally done in Year 12 and then Year 13 separately. You also don't want to do Medicine, so apart from the same problem of overshooting when even Oxbridge doesn't discriminate against those with only three A Levels, you're not risking quite as much.

Original post by Zoqua
my Cousin did 5 A levels too, and she found it stressful but rewarding, as she got 4 A*'s and an A, and got into Cambridge. My uncle did his 3 A Level's while he was in Year 10-11, and got 3 A's(A* didn't exist then), and got into Oxford at 16, and came top of his year in Maths(but I don't recommend that, as he was mentally gifted)

This was fine in the old system they probably did, even the system that got replaced a couple of years ago - they did all their AS exams and then all A2. This person will have to be taking on everything at the very end, which is impractical. People often did 4 A Levels as an expectation when I did them only a few years ago. Schools themselves are moving towards only allowing students to study 3 subjects except in the case of Maths and F.Maths.
Reply 27
Original post by black1blade
If you want to keep your options totally open for any science related course at uni and think you can deal with the work then go ahead. Personally I think physics, chemistry, maths and fm is enough work but there are people who do 5 and are fine.


Fair point. If I was doing 4, I'd drop Further Maths and do Biology as Biology, Chemistry + Maths/Physics are require usually for Medicine.
Reply 28
Original post by Doc Dave
One of my best friends (from another school) does 5 A-Levels. Same ones as you! xD. Maths, further maths, biology, physics and chemistry. He goes to the gym for like 2 hours a day plus Karate on a Saturday (he's 2nd Dan, going for 3rd Dan. Or he might be 3rd? I can't remember xD. I'll ask him when we go swimming later). I know he does loads of music, practicing his cello and is going on a tour with an Orchestra round Europe this summer (he had to pay). I don't think he's necesserily the cleverest (although, don't get me wrong, he is probably one of the most intelligent people I know) but he puts in quite a lot of hard work.

He has an offer from Cambridge to study Medicine. So, it is definitely possible to study 5 A-Levels and still stay fit, healthy and have hobbies: just realise you won't have time to watch TV (he plays computer games sometimes but I doubt he has much time for that sort of stuff).

I personally study maths, physics, biology and chemistry (also with an offer from Cambridge (for Biological Natural Sciences) :biggrin: ) and have liked science since I was in Infant School so I'm finding it good (just Organic Chemistry and Core Maths are very hard). I would recommend doing 4 A-Levels; maybe drop Further Maths and do the same as me if you like science, or drop physics and keep FM if you like maths just as much as science (because physics and further maths seem the most away from studying Medicine).


Awesome aha! I'm glad to hear that it's possible!
Ooh well good luck to the both of you!
Original post by NishanR
The exact same 5? Wow! Awesome! Yay I'm glad to hear it's going really well! You do 5 subjects yet still have 5 frees every 2 weeks? I hope I'll get that too. It is! That was my thinking too, because they all complement each other well, they make each other easier.
Everyone has just been pretty damn negative about it, when in reality all things considered it seems pretty possible. Wow, I might have to try that!
Alright thanks! Exactly! Hahaha motivated, or just stubborn ahaha. Well, why should I take no for an answer? :smile:


Go for it if you think you can handle it, dont forget you will need to do work for the bmat and do work experience and volunteering as well :smile:

I see why other people are advising against it though, you get 1 shot at it, medicine isnt like other degrees where you could resit an A-level or where the uni takes people who slightly miss an offer etc etc you need the A*AA and if you dont thats tough, there is no resitting exams etc to get the grade up, afaik medical schools dont except that. Of course there are times where people did succeed at doing 5 to the required standard but you can probably guarantee that for every 1 person who did it there are 3-5 people who didnt and now massively regret it

If you can live with the consequences of never becoming a doctor if it goes wrong just because you wanted to take extra a-levels that wont benefit you in the first place because you were stubborn then go for it

good luck!
Reply 30
Original post by CastCuraga

I don't think it's worth it. I do Medicine and frankly it's not worth burning yourself out now, because Year 1 (and 0 if you do it) are brutal. You have to be extremely passionate and, honestly just stubborn, to get through it. You're going to spread yourself thin and become a master of nothing without extreme care. The ONLY things relevant to Medicine are Biology, Chemistry and potentially one of either Math/Phys. You don't need more and you're not going to get brownie points for doing so; the only thing it'd really help for is UKCAT and BMAT. And even then, not really.

I took English, History, Sociology, Biology and Physics, along with First Language Welsh and Irish. I did AL Chemistry by myself a year later.

As you can see, I did seven subjects (though only 5 were really work). It was hell. I didn't have a social life, my relationship soured extremely quickly, I was constantly tired and depressed, and felt like I was juggling a million things at once without enough hours in the day. It wasn't conducive to my mental health nor the health of anyone else I knew that did 5. You don't need to do it and I don't recommend it at all.

Manage your time in a schedule and stick to it RIGIDLY. Free up plenty of time to relax your brain, and I can't stress enough the importance of exercise. When exams are near draw up a table of things to cover for every single day, up to the hours you spend on each thing if need be. Keep links with friends, talk with family, do not isolate yourself under any circumstances. Have strong conviction and remind yourself every day why you're doing this. Flashcards are your best friend and mindmaps help too. Do a revision paper for each subject each week if you can. And may the gods give you strength.



1. Alright, thank you! I intend on doing work experience this summer, and then super-curricular activities throughout the year. also I'm going to do the BMAT.
2. Woah! Well done!
3. Well I don't have a relationship, and I don't intend on having one until Uni. You did 7 right? So I'm sure 5 + a social life is manageable?
4. Cheers for the advice and best wishes!
Reply 31
Original post by HateOCR
Ok good luck.


Cheers!
I think it depends on how well organised and self-disciplined you are. At my school, we've had people go to Oxbridge for Medicine with 3 A-Levels. Therefore, with plenty of work experience, it is not necessary. However, that said, if you really enjoy all 5 A-Levels, then go for it! Remember that you get in to Oxbridge with 3 or 4 or 5 - it doesn't really affect your chances very much. So take as many A-Levels as you like to be honest, but think very carefully about taking 5.
Reply 33
Original post by RedGiant
You clearly don't...


Alright, I can't be bothered to argue with you lol
Reply 34
Original post by AryanGh
Hey!

I do Further Maths, Maths, Physics, Chemistry, whilst selfstudying AS CompSci at home!

What I'd say is that whilst these A Levels certainly are a bunch of hardwork, and while you may not have as much time as say others who do 4 or 3 A Levels, it's all about time-management, if you can do that then you will succeed at A Levels.

Especially for your school, and especially for those specific subjects, workload is diminished. For instance:

You're doing all of Maths in the first year, along with your 3 other subjects, once you've done that you will have FM and 3 (or 2 subs if you drop a science) to do in the 2nd year, that way you never really truly feel the weight of a full 5 A Levels, at any point in time, you're doing 4. Especially for FM/Maths, if you've got a passion for Maths, have an aptitude for it and did all of the A Level in Y12, then FM will be a healthy step forward, usually when doing this kind of Math, the workload diminishes a bit, I do FM and Maths in the same year in my school and honestly the workload felt much lighter.

I wish you the best of luck, any questions and you can shoot them over.

Thanks!
Original post by NishanR
1. Alright, thank you! I intend on doing work experience this summer, and then super-curricular activities throughout the year. also I'm going to do the BMAT.
2. Woah! Well done!
3. Well I don't have a relationship, and I don't intend on having one until Uni. You did 7 right? So I'm sure 5 + a social life is manageable?
4. Cheers for the advice and best wishes!


1. For super-curricular (do you mean extra-curricular) - make sure they're relevant to Medicine or the kinds of things applicable in some regard. You probably know that, but there have been instances of people I've known not get onto Medicine because they either had no hobbies or life outside of studying, or simply couldn't relate their hobbies to Medicine at all. I'm sure that's obvious, though.

3. Welsh and Irish weren't much work, so 4 during Sixth Form really. Also this was before the AS/A2 system was decoupled, so I didn't have to do everything right at the very end with only one shot like you're going to have. To make that clear; 5 A Levels is now exponentially harder to do than it was a few years ago. And it was hard when I was doing it, so...I really can't say I recommend, especially for Medicine where you only have one shot (because medical schools don't generally allow retakes).

Since you do seem set on this for some reason, I can only wish you luck, and a backup plan if Medicine doesn't work.
Reply 36
Original post by bluemuffin
You seem like you could definitely manage 5 a levels. Our school used to offer the option to take 5 a levels in fact (but 2 of them had to be maths and further maths) but not any more. I think that’s because most people dropped one of them within a few weeks/months because of the workload so that’s definitely something to consider. But if you love the subjects you’re planning to take at a level, I would say why not take them? Start with 5 and you can always drop one (or 2) of them if you can’t manage it.

Cheers!
Reply 37
Original post by Zoqua
YES, finally somebody else who wants to do 4-5 A Levels! I don't know that many boys who are good academically and who want to do more than 3 A levels, good for you! I'm currently in Year 10, so I can't advise you about the other stuff, but I don't think it's bad at all putting in more effort. I am also a very high achiever. I want to do Double Maths(Further Maths and Maths), Economics, Computer Science and Business Studies, and I too want to go to Oxbridge(but to do Maths). My Uncle, Dad and Cousin all went to/are at Oxbridge Universities, and my Cousin did 5 A levels too, and she found it stressful but rewarding, as she got 4 A*'s and an A, and got into Cambridge. My uncle did his 3 A Level's while he was in Year 10-11, and got 3 A's(A* didn't exist then), and got into Oxford at 16, and came top of his year in Maths(but I don't recommend that, as he was mentally gifted), but you sound pretty smart and hard working, so you could start Maths early. Do 5 A levels, and start Maths early if you want, I think you should go for it! Good luck!


Cheers and good luck to you!
Original post by Zoqua
YES, finally somebody else who wants to do 4-5 A Levels! I don't know that many boys who are good academically and who want to do more than 3 A levels, good for you! I'm currently in Year 10, so I can't advise you about the other stuff, but I don't think it's bad at all putting in more effort. I am also a very high achiever. I want to do Double Maths(Further Maths and Maths), Economics, Computer Science and Business Studies, and I too want to go to Oxbridge(but to do Maths). My Uncle, Dad and Cousin all went to/are at Oxbridge Universities, and my Cousin did 5 A levels too, and she found it stressful but rewarding, as she got 4 A*'s and an A, and got into Cambridge. My uncle did his 3 A Level's while he was in Year 10-11, and got 3 A's(A* didn't exist then), and got into Oxford at 16, and came top of his year in Maths(but I don't recommend that, as he was mentally gifted), but you sound pretty smart and hard working, so you could start Maths early. Do 5 A levels, and start Maths early if you want, I think you should go for it! Good luck!


Please dont give advice on something you have no idea about or experience in and the experience of your family is under the older system of doing A-level exams across 4 rounds (jan june AS, jan june A2) rather than them all being in june of year 13
Reply 39
Original post by CastCuraga
1. For super-curricular (do you mean extra-curricular) - make sure they're relevant to Medicine or the kinds of things applicable in some regard. You probably know that, but there have been instances of people I've known not get onto Medicine because they either had no hobbies or life outside of studying, or simply couldn't relate their hobbies to Medicine at all. I'm sure that's obvious, though.

3. Welsh and Irish weren't much work, so 4 during Sixth Form really. Also this was before the AS/A2 system was decoupled, so I didn't have to do everything right at the very end with only one shot like you're going to have. To make that clear; 5 A Levels is now exponentially harder to do than it was a few years ago. And it was hard when I was doing it, so...I really can't say I recommend, especially for Medicine where you only have one shot (because medical schools don't generally allow retakes).

Since you do seem set on this for some reason, I can only wish you luck, and a backup plan if Medicine doesn't work.

No I mean super-curricular. It's what they call extra-extra-curricular activities. Oh yeah, I've seen that. I'll probably be doing rugby too, and going to be starting DofE Silver soon.
Oh okay. Well, well done and good luck.

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