“If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy"

Your argument seems to me to be that a vote is only valid if voters are exposed to the correct information, which comes very close to saying that it is only valid if it reaches the correct conclusion.

These aren't the same though and the former is certainly something an effective democracy should aim for.

That is a quote from the Brexit Secretary, David Davis.
http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-mp-delivers-speech-on-the-opportunities-for-a-referendum-on-europe/

On Tuesday, the Lords begin the debate on the EU Withdrawal Bill. There is talk that they could add an ammendment ensuring that both Parliament and people get to approve any final deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/28/house-of-lords-has-right-to-ask-commons-to-reconsider-brexit

This is obviously the right way to go. We need a second referendum and most people now agree - ICM polling the other day showed a 47-34 majority in favour of a second poll.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-second-referendum-britons-support-icm-poll-survey-a8180456.html

At the very least, we need the chance to review if we should remain in the Single Market. This was not put before the electorate in the EU referendum. Also, major lies were told by the Leave campaign and systematically spread by their allies in the dominant right wing media, most of which is owned by offshore oligarchs and serves the financial interests of other countries and foreign individuals.

The first poll was also manipulated by Russia and by hedge funds that have an interest in the collapse of sterling and the UK economy. The basis of the referendum was wrong, prohibiting overseas UK citizens from voting (yet they are entitled to UK pensions, etc) and not setting a minimum majority, as in other referenda globally on key national decisions.

Because everything they say is cast in a pillar of stone.

Brexit means Brexit.

Question, would you be okay with leavers advocating for a second referendum this soon after the first if they had lost?

Alright, fine. So we're agreed that a second referendum solves nothing. That's really all I set out to demonstrate.

Well, we know Farage was advocating that in the early stages of referendum night, when he thought Leave were losing. Sauce for the goose and all that.

Well, we know Farage was advocating that in the early stages of referendum night, when he thought Leave were losing. Sauce for the goose and all that.

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Yes I know that a second referendum isn’t exclusive to the remainer side, and I honestly can’t blame some people wanting to have a vote on the outcome ( as long as the Brexit process is reversed). Though I’d argue that we have had our say and offering another referendum so soon would sort of undermine the process, and would be quite costly

A 60% majority should be required. No other country would allow such a crucial decision to be made by 52%.

There should be a review of press ownership and sanctions against the tax positions of the fake nondoms who own the major right wing media interests. In particular, Murdoch should be forced out of owning UK media, as he is an undesirable person.

Strict financial controls are needed to ensure that there can be no repeat of Leave handing vast sums to students to channel to Russian tweet machines and US-based data miners acting on behalf of hedge funds.

Well personally I would favour a complete invalidation of the original referendum, which should be declared null and void due to rigging and criminal behaviour in the Leave campaign.

As you say, that won't happen, because the same conspirators who provided the distorted first referendum (who in my opinion, despite his pretenses, included Cameron) are still in charge with the help of the equally corrupt DUP.

I am sure you feel happy with the current state of democracy where these are the people determining our national future.

Because clearly the remain campaign were always so truthful. Furthermore, the election was not rigged.

At the very least, we need the chance to review if we should remain in the Single Market. This was not put before the electorate in the EU referendum. Also, major lies were told by the Leave campaign and systematically spread by their allies in the dominant right wing media, most of which is owned by offshore oligarchs and serves the financial interests of other countries and foreign individuals.

But at the 2017 general election, both the elected government and opposition committed to leave the single market. Either you have a representative democracy where the elected government does what it was elected to do, or you have direct democracy where the people make binding decisions like to leave the EU.

The only system to do what you want and remain in effect is a dictatorship where the electorate are ignored and a small unrepresentative group decide everything.

Also what lies did the leave campaign tell?

The Prime Minister and the government have confirmed that a second referendum will not be taking place. There is no point in discussing this since it is not a possibility- the government and PM have made that clear.

The PM made it abundantly clear that there was not going to be a snap general election when she became PM. OK, there wasn't one straight away but it certainly wasn't in 2020 like originally promised.

Here is the Conservative Manifesto 2017.
https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

And the Labour one.
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf

There is no mention of the Single Market at all in the Tory one.

The Labour one says (page 24):
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single 0arket and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first."

It was heavily rigged in favour of a Leave vote, by:

- prohibiting UK citizens from voting who live elsewhere in the EU

- blocking new electoral registers from being produced in Remain areas

- allowing flagrant and even criminal breaches of electoral spending law, particularly those of the Leave campaign

- failing to secure balanced airtime, with hugely disproportionate airtime given in particular to Nigel Farage, who is not even an MP and has never been elected to anything outside the EU Parliament

- allowing the latter to breach EU laws prohibiting transfer of funds from the EU to UKIP

I could go on, there are many more examples.