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Very scary indeed. What's even more concerning is that this group openly proclaims its views, they even have a website. They need to be outlawed like Al-Qaeda.

Unfortunately far-right, white supremacist hatred has been normalised on the right-wing. It's absolutely disgusting. The FBI should be crushing this group, and securing long prison sentences. But that won't fix the issue of the normalisation of white supremacism and anti-immigrant sentiment on the right-wing.

Conservatives need to take a long, hard look at themselves and think about what they've allowed into the mainstream of right-wing discourse

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This young man was murdered by one of the group's members. His 'crime'? Being Jewish and being gay.

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Aaaand now that people know the name of this "secret organisation" the secret is out and I guarantee people will try to join it :rofl:

I personally don't think neo Nazi militias are a worry. The gov't and their systematic corruption is the problem not some angry dudes who will get arrested before nightfall.
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Too bad they don't kill Jews like you
oh dear that's not nice Lemon :noway:
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Too bad they don't kill Jews like you
Maybe it's my liberal bleeding heart, but I actually feel sorry for you.

Obviously you're not very bright, and don't have great prospects in life because of that and because of your anger management issues. You lash out at scapegoats because you need to find external reasons to explain your failures and your inability to succeed at life.

I pity you.
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Great that's what we need another terrorist group
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There’s no question about it: Trump and his brand of alt-right fascism has emboldened these violent fanatics. What leaders do in moderation, followers do in excess.
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There’s no question about it: Trump and his brand of alt-right fascism has emboldened these violent fanatics. What leaders do in moderation, followers do in excess.
Absolutely. What I find most depressing is that friends of mine who used to be sensible, if traditionalist, conservatives are now buying into nonsense about "cultural marxism" (it's not actually a thing.. at least in the way the right-wing uses the word), about how the greatest threat to society is the "totalitarian left". It's utterly bonkers. And that stuff often ends up in a racist place.

All the "joke" racism actually desensitises people to real racism, so that you end up in a place where you have popular entertainers saying things like "Kill all the Jews", and right-wingers applauding this is "brilliant satire".

The saddest thing about this is that, even as a socialist, I would say that conservatism is not devoid of ideas. It's not bereft of contributions it could make to political discourse, to how we can move forward as a society. But instead thinking about the really profound issues that are facing society, or coming down the pipeline, like mass automation, artificial intelligence, the rise of China, they are obsessed with conspiracy nonsense and a hysterical view of the left that has absolutely no connection to reality.
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Absolutely. What I find most depressing is that friends of mine who used to be sensible, if traditionalist, conservatives are now buying into nonsense about "cultural marxism" (it's not actually a thing.. at least in the way the right-wing uses the word), about how the greatest threat to society is the "totalitarian left". It's utterly bonkers. And that stuff often ends up in a racist place.

All the "joke" racism actually desensitises people to real racism, so that you end up in a place where you have popular entertainers saying things like "Kill all the Jews", and right-wingers applauding this is "brilliant satire".

The saddest thing about this is that, even as a socialist, I would say that conservatism is not devoid of ideas. It's not bereft of contributions it could make to political discourse, to how we can move forward as a society. But instead thinking about the really profound issues that are facing society, or coming down the pipeline, like mass automation, artificial intelligence, the rise of China, they are obsessed with conspiracy nonsense and a hysterical view of the left that has absolutely no connection to reality.
Yup, I've had similar experiences with my seemingly sensible conservative friends jumping on the quasi-fascist/populist train. When it was pointed out that the far-right is a greater and immediate threat to the fabric of society than the so-called "cultural Marxists", I was told that the totalitarian-left is still to blame for causing a severe reaction! It's like saying "Yes, I'm a Nazi and I'm a terrible person, but it's your fault! You turned me into a Nazi!" Absolutely ludicrous. I hate to use this phrase, but when one is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Any form of progressivism is smeared as "cultural Marxism" or "SJW propaganda". As you and many others with similar first-hand experiences point out, actual bigots and fascists can hide behind the satirical "anti-SJW" content. It takes a far more sinister turn when the more potentially violent individuals in these groups become so engrossed in their hatred in their safe-spaces, that they end up killing their fellow humans.

In the era of alternative facts and increasing partisanship, many of us would rather indulge in conspiracy theories than focus on the real issues. It's a strange phenomenon that's intertwined with the rise of corporatism and corruption; the US in particular is going through an unprecedented constitutional crisis. Interesting times. I wonder how the future historians will evaluate this time-period.
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Of course, conservatives are to blame. When a group of neo-Nazi lunatics kill people, we all know wanting lower taxes, free markets and secure borders is encouraging this!

Yup, that's what it is. Trump and conservatives. No wild conjecture whatsoever. Conservatives and the Trump presidency have created a massively dangerous environment for immigrants and minorities. It's not like, you know, hate crime rates are currently way, way down compared to not even a decade ago, with the largest proportion of the recent (and relatively tiny) "spike" last year actually being anti-white in nature according to the FBI's own statistics. It's all lies and Russian meddling!
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Ah yes TYT. Every liberals favourite reputable source.
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Of course, conservatives are to blame. When a group of neo-Nazi lunatics kill people, we all know wanting lower taxes, free markets and secure borders is encouraging this!

Yup, that's what it is. Trump and conservatives. No wild conjecture whatsoever. Conservatives and the Trump presidency have created a massively dangerous environment for immigrants and minorities. It's not like, you know, hate crime rates are currently way, way down compared to not even a decade ago, with the largest proportion of the recent (and relatively tiny) "spike" last year actually being anti-white in nature according to the FBI's own statistics. It's all lies and Russian meddling!
Well, the left wing as a whole often gets the blame for stuff that only a small section of the left is responsible for, so it's only fair for the right wing to get the same treatment.
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I imagine these people arent so much terrorists as 'mentally unwell individuals'? :rolleyes:
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I imagine these people arent so much terrorists as 'mentally unwell individuals'? :rolleyes:
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Yup, I've had similar experiences with my seemingly sensible conservative friends jumping on the quasi-fascist/populist train. When it was pointed out that the far-right is a greater and immediate threat to the fabric of society than the so-called "cultural Marxists", I was told that the totalitarian-left is still to blame for causing a severe reaction! It's like saying "Yes, I'm a Nazi and I'm a terrible person, but it's your fault! You turned me into a Nazi!" Absolutely ludicrous. I hate to use this phrase, but when one is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Any form of progressivism is smeared as "cultural Marxism" or "SJW propaganda". As you and many others with similar first-hand experiences point out, actual bigots and fascists can hide behind the satirical "anti-SJW" content. It takes a far more sinister turn when the more potentially violent individuals in these groups become so engrossed in their hatred in their safe-spaces, that they end up killing their fellow humans.

In the era of alternative facts and increasing partisanship, many of us would rather indulge in conspiracy theories than focus on the real issues. It's a strange phenomenon that's intertwined with the rise of corporatism and corruption; the US in particular is going through an unprecedented constitutional crisis. Interesting times. I wonder how the future historians will evaluate this time-period.
Absolutely, excellent comment. Well said.

What I find depressing about the Trump phenomenon is that the guy is objectively and demonstrably;

(1) Stupid
(2) Corrupt
(3) Unbeliavably dishonest
(4) Egotistical to the point of mental illness

That's not a partisan point. For example, I don't agree with the Conservatives but I would not make those claims about Theresa May, or David Cameron, or Mitt Romney or Mike Pence or even Paul Ryan (although I think the latter has walked too compliant a line re Trump).

I profoundly disagree with their politics, but I do not believe them to be a fundamental danger to the UK constitution or to the American republic. The same cannot be said of Trump. His utter incapacity for reflection or self-criticism, his limitless greed, his egomania tied with dishonesty (making claims like "I'm the most popular president ever" when in fact he is the most unpopular president in history, at this point of their first term)... it's depressing that many on the right are so devoid of morality and critical faculties to see Trump's manifest flaws, to a degree not seen in any other political candidate in our lifetimes, or they are so partisan that they don't care and they will accept anyone, no matter how flawed, as long as they;

(1) Validate their racism and bigotry
(2) "Trigger" the liberals

It's pathetic. As I said, this is not a left/right issue. I have a lot of respect for Ben Shapiro. He's extremely conservative, but he's also not afraid to speak out against extreme immorality and corruption. He's not afraid to speak out when conservative partisanship becomes so limitless that they are willing to support a credibly-accused child molester.

These are dark times indeed. But I believe that ultimately the rubber band will snap back. I don't think conservatives of the sort I've described constitute more than around 15% of the population, they're just a very noisy minority. Ordinary people are getting sick of their dishonesty, immorality and corruption
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Very scary indeed. What's even more concerning is that this group openly proclaims its views, they even have a website. They need to be outlawed like Al-Qaeda.

Unfortunately far-right, white supremacist hatred has been normalised on the right-wing. It's absolutely disgusting. The FBI should be crushing this group, and securing long prison sentences. But that won't fix the issue of the normalisation of white supremacism and anti-immigrant sentiment on the right-wing.

Conservatives need to take a long, hard look at themselves and think about what they've allowed into the mainstream of right-wing discourse

Strange how TheYoungTurks suddenly gets concerned about a neo nazi 'terror' group but has no concerns about Islamic terrorism.
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Can just imagine the pathetic response from all the die-hard Trumptards right now

'fake news' blah blah blah :rolleyes:
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