Grid girls ban - what next for the righteous?
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From what I can tell the BBC started the "grid girls" campaign here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09l8vw0
This must have been noticed by F1 as the BBC is a potential bidder for the tv contract and still (I believe) pays for radio coverage.
The BBC then intensified its campaign.
F1 had the choice to keep the grid girls or potentially lose a big bidder.
More serious even that that, the public have paid for powerful transmitters and a web site that the BBC uses for these sorts of campaigns. It is not hard to whip up those who are prone to this kind of propaganda.
It seemed the BBC was determined to get a result from this campaign and F1 duly caved in.
This must have been noticed by F1 as the BBC is a potential bidder for the tv contract and still (I believe) pays for radio coverage.
The BBC then intensified its campaign.
F1 had the choice to keep the grid girls or potentially lose a big bidder.
More serious even that that, the public have paid for powerful transmitters and a web site that the BBC uses for these sorts of campaigns. It is not hard to whip up those who are prone to this kind of propaganda.
It seemed the BBC was determined to get a result from this campaign and F1 duly caved in.
Original post by Davij038
Good. I hope they Ban them from music videos too.
Alright Ali Khamenei.
It figures the one bit of feminism you like is the bit I don't...
on the one hand, its crazily anti-women.. and is starting down a path of restricting women freedoms, that could easily eventually push us towards the point of outlawing any slightly sexual modelling.
On the other hand, I like it. As someone who very much supports a more modest less sexualised society, I am 100% happy with all this change. I just didn't think it would be the feminists pushing for this, rather then the conservatives.
I mean, thanks to the feminists we now have:
1, no page 3 girls
2, no grid girls/darts girls
3, no sexual model girls at trade shows (soon)
4, the idea that drunken sex is dangerous
5, the idea that women should be wary of men
6, the idea that there is a very blury line between flirting and sexual assault, and touching a woman on the knee, and asking someone out, can be considered bad.
I mean, wonderful, I am very happy. But I don't think feminists quite realise what they are pushing for yet. The logical destination of all of this is a more reserved controlled society, which has less sexual freedom and expression. Exactly what many feminists fought against in the 1960s and onwards.
(Also, be very wary of big companies and their motives here. I know its only a small amount of money.. but F1 have played a blinder here.. they have stopped having to pay adult women, and have replaced them with free children. Same with the companies now asking their men to take pay-cuts, read the BBC article on the male presenters taking pay-cuts, not once does it say that the money will go to the women, but just that the men will accept cuts down to their level. Bloody fantastic for a company that is.. to have your most demanding and highly paid workers voluntarily wanting to be paid less! Companies are in love with feminism right now, and I can see why!)
On the other hand, I like it. As someone who very much supports a more modest less sexualised society, I am 100% happy with all this change. I just didn't think it would be the feminists pushing for this, rather then the conservatives.
I mean, thanks to the feminists we now have:
1, no page 3 girls
2, no grid girls/darts girls
3, no sexual model girls at trade shows (soon)
4, the idea that drunken sex is dangerous
5, the idea that women should be wary of men
6, the idea that there is a very blury line between flirting and sexual assault, and touching a woman on the knee, and asking someone out, can be considered bad.
I mean, wonderful, I am very happy. But I don't think feminists quite realise what they are pushing for yet. The logical destination of all of this is a more reserved controlled society, which has less sexual freedom and expression. Exactly what many feminists fought against in the 1960s and onwards.
(Also, be very wary of big companies and their motives here. I know its only a small amount of money.. but F1 have played a blinder here.. they have stopped having to pay adult women, and have replaced them with free children. Same with the companies now asking their men to take pay-cuts, read the BBC article on the male presenters taking pay-cuts, not once does it say that the money will go to the women, but just that the men will accept cuts down to their level. Bloody fantastic for a company that is.. to have your most demanding and highly paid workers voluntarily wanting to be paid less! Companies are in love with feminism right now, and I can see why!)
Let's be clear -- they're not 'banned'. This is a decision by the people in charge of F1, not one imposed upon them. F1 is a private commercial concern and they can set any rules they like as to who will be on their grids.
That said, purely as a cultural point, it is pretty annoying to see bits of harmless fun ended just to appease the PC crowd. That doesn't mean that businesses shouldn't react to commercial realities, including the reality of customers or indeed partner businesses seeking 'progressive' change, just that perhaps those of us who don't want changes like this should be a bit more ready to vote with our wallets and our eyeballs against them.
Tbh you make the point yourself. F1 is an enormous business. The money involved in hiring a few grid girls must be completely irrelevant. I'm sure it can't have been a significant factor in the decision.
That said, purely as a cultural point, it is pretty annoying to see bits of harmless fun ended just to appease the PC crowd. That doesn't mean that businesses shouldn't react to commercial realities, including the reality of customers or indeed partner businesses seeking 'progressive' change, just that perhaps those of us who don't want changes like this should be a bit more ready to vote with our wallets and our eyeballs against them.
Original post by fallen_acorns
I know its only a small amount of money.. but F1 have played a blinder here.. they have stopped having to pay adult women, and have replaced them with free children.
Tbh you make the point yourself. F1 is an enormous business. The money involved in hiring a few grid girls must be completely irrelevant. I'm sure it can't have been a significant factor in the decision.
I think the idea of grid kids/mascots is much better tbh, football already does this and it's much less cringe-worthy than seeing women in bikinis on the grid for no apparent reason.
Original post by So-Sarah
due to pressure from leftwing parties such as Lab and SNP - these muppets are supposed to be for the workers, not against them!
This, for me, perfectly enshrines the hypocrisy of the regressive "left" at the moment. Freedom, emancipation, unless you can't think for yourself and seemingly want to be "oppressed" because of your "internalised misogyny".
Bigotry of low expectations. Extension of Maajid Nawaz's "racism of low expectations" theory in relation to Muslims.
On a side note, recently I was refreshed to see Virgin Trains making a joke of the silly woman that got her back up because an under pressure train guard called her "honey" in the heat of the moment. That's a real victory for the left, the company getting behind its staff.
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Original post by Zerforax
Should talk less about getting rid of the grid girls and more about how youngsters (who will replace them) will have the opportunity to meet their idols.
It's a very positive change and could be life changing for some youngsters.
It's a very positive change and could be life changing for some youngsters.
This is very true, and I'm completely in agreement with the point that it's a smart move from F1, that's a big outlay off their books...
Original post by rockrunride
This is very true, and I'm completely in agreement with the point that it's a smart move from F1, that's a big outlay off their books...
What do you mean big outlay? I doubt the girls were made much anyway.
Original post by Zerforax
Should talk less about getting rid of the grid girls and more about how youngsters (who will replace them) will have the opportunity to meet their idols.
It's a very positive change and could be life changing for some youngsters.
It's a very positive change and could be life changing for some youngsters.
exactly, they've done something that's positive both for the sport itself and it's image.
some men just can't see past another chance to lech on women being taken away from though sadly.
Original post by So-Sarah
so, are we just going to ban attractive women in order to placate the hyterical rightoeous brigade? What next, music videos?
Maybe if attractive women were banned then the rest of us would feel more confident 😂
(Jks before anyone judges me 👀)
Original post by rockrunride
This, for me, perfectly enshrines the hypocrisy of the regressive "left" at the moment. Freedom, emancipation, unless you can't think for yourself and seemingly want to be "oppressed" because of your "internalised misogyny".
Bigotry of low expectations. Extension of Maajid Nawaz's "racism of low expectations" theory in relation to Muslims.
On a side note, recently I was refreshed to see Virgin Trains making a joke of the silly woman that got her back up because an under pressure train guard called her "honey" in the heat of the moment. That's a real victory for the left, the company getting behind its staff.
Bigotry of low expectations. Extension of Maajid Nawaz's "racism of low expectations" theory in relation to Muslims.
On a side note, recently I was refreshed to see Virgin Trains making a joke of the silly woman that got her back up because an under pressure train guard called her "honey" in the heat of the moment. That's a real victory for the left, the company getting behind its staff.
you do know that the people who made this decision were the sports governining body's right? most of them are people who's main motivation is money, I doubt most of them are particularly left wing, quite the opposite in fact, but even they think it's time for the sports to move on so maybe that should say something about people like you who don't?
it's "low expectations" to think that sports can be worth watching for men without needing attractive women to appear briefly before the event starts now? if anything your desire to retain them suggests you have a very low expectation of men who watch sports, as a man who watches sport, I find your attitude offensive tbh.
a man who works for a company known for exploiting people (and it's own debts) talking down to a woman and you think it's "funny" that she got offended? again this says a LOT about you and nothing about "the left" or anyone else for that matter.
Original post by SentToBillsPC
you do know that the people who made this decision were the sports governining body's right? most of them are people who's main motivation is money, I doubt most of them are particularly left wing, quite the opposite in fact, but even they think it's time for the sports to move on so maybe that should say something about people like you who don't?
it's "low expectations" to think that sports can be worth watching for men without needing attractive women to appear briefly before the event starts now? if anything your desire to retain them suggests you have a very low expectation of men who watch sports, as a man who watches sport, I find your attitude offensive tbh.
a man who works for a company known for exploiting people (and it's own debts) talking down to a woman and you think it's "funny" that she got offended? again this says a LOT about you and nothing about "the left" or anyone else for that matter.
it's "low expectations" to think that sports can be worth watching for men without needing attractive women to appear briefly before the event starts now? if anything your desire to retain them suggests you have a very low expectation of men who watch sports, as a man who watches sport, I find your attitude offensive tbh.
a man who works for a company known for exploiting people (and it's own debts) talking down to a woman and you think it's "funny" that she got offended? again this says a LOT about you and nothing about "the left" or anyone else for that matter.
I agree the main motivation is money. It's usually in a business's interest to look good in relation to the social trends of the time. This is not a leftist idea, because leftists have their fellow workers in mind. F1 clearly do not have these workers in mind. I feel sorry for the women that have lost an income stream.
How did such a convenient business decision come about? "Feminist" pressure, social media, opinion columns in "left-wing" publications. The Women's Sport Trust is on record tweeting "your move" to F1 following the PDC change. Surely a left-wing feminist would support their fellow women in jobs they clearly enjoy doing? Nope, clearly not, they are too stupid and virtue signalling at their expense is more important than their livelihood.
I'm not "triggered" over this because I like looking at women when watching sport and I dare say my fellow men will swiftly get over this (because yes, most men have half a brain cell and don't watch F1 or darts because of elegant women, we watch porn for that). I'm "triggered" by pressure groups claiming to be on the left and displaying such utter hypocrisy it makes my eyes and ears bleed.
Finally, yes I do think it was funny someone felt to call out a worker for a non-reason, and would invite the complainant to enter the real world.
Original post by Zerforax
Should talk less about getting rid of the grid girls and more about how youngsters (who will replace them) will have the opportunity to meet their idols.
It's a very positive change and could be life changing for some youngsters.
It's a very positive change and could be life changing for some youngsters.
and how about the jobs for these girls, are you going to replace their wages?? unlikley
and for F''s sake, what's wrong with a man wanting to ogle a pretty girl anyway, aren't the left just a bunch of cucks or what..
Original post by So-Sarah
and how about the jobs for these girls, are you going to replace their wages?? unlikley
and for F''s sake, what's wrong with a man wanting to ogle a pretty girl anyway, aren't the left just a bunch of cucks or what..
and for F''s sake, what's wrong with a man wanting to ogle a pretty girl anyway, aren't the left just a bunch of cucks or what..
You make it sound like a full time job.. It's one long weekend once a year if they're lucky.
Tbh you've hit the nail on the head as to why the grid girls have been removed. Liberty (the new owners of F1 who bought it for $4.4bil) want to grow the sport and the audience. They realise that half the population is female and so there is more scope to get higher figures by trying to attract more female viewers. Having women objectified does't help that cause hence it has been removed.
Awesome.
Original post by So-Sarah
so, are we just going to ban attractive women in order to placate the hyterical rightoeous brigade? What next, music videos?
I think women need to step up to these people. First it was about self-worth, now they are taking jobs away from other women to satisfy their myopic views.
I am in favour of equality. If a woman wants to do a job, she should be allowed to do it without the abuse of the feminazi.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vdbD7EF4Byw
Just watch this.
Original post by rockrunride
I agree the main motivation is money. It's usually in a business's interest to look good in relation to the social trends of the time. This is not a leftist idea, because leftists have their fellow workers in mind. F1 clearly do not have these workers in mind. I feel sorry for the women that have lost an income stream.
I really doubt it costs F1 much to employ them and it probably costs them more in terms of health & safety to have mascots who are children there in fact, the fact is we don't know their motivations beyond what they gave which is that it was incompatible with the image of the sport in 2018, which as a fan of the sport I tend to agree with.
How did such a convenient business decision come about? "Feminist" pressure, social media, opinion columns in "left-wing" publications. The Women's Sport Trust is on record tweeting "your move" to F1 following the PDC change. Surely a left-wing feminist would support their fellow women in jobs they clearly enjoy doing? Nope, clearly not, they are too stupid and virtue signalling at their expense is more important than their livelihood.
how dare women in sport want to be taken seriously and not just be seen as eye candy in 2018, clearly this makes them evil communists from the past...
I'm not "triggered" over this because I like looking at women when watching sport and I dare say my fellow men will swiftly get over this (because yes, most men have half a brain cell and don't watch F1 or darts because of elegant women, we watch porn for that). I'm "triggered" by pressure groups claiming to be on the left and displaying such utter hypocrisy it makes my eyes and ears bleed.
again, there is zero evidence to support your claim that they only did this due to "pressure from left groups" so unless you can produce some you've not got a leg to stand on beyond your hatred of the Left groups you are talking about tbh.
Finally, yes I do think it was funny someone felt to call out a worker for a non-reason, and would invite the complainant to enter the real world.
I really doubt it costs F1 much to employ them and it probably costs them more in terms of health & safety to have mascots who are children there in fact, the fact is we don't know their motivations beyond what they gave which is that it was incompatible with the image of the sport in 2018, which as a fan of the sport I tend to agree with.
How did such a convenient business decision come about? "Feminist" pressure, social media, opinion columns in "left-wing" publications. The Women's Sport Trust is on record tweeting "your move" to F1 following the PDC change. Surely a left-wing feminist would support their fellow women in jobs they clearly enjoy doing? Nope, clearly not, they are too stupid and virtue signalling at their expense is more important than their livelihood.
how dare women in sport want to be taken seriously and not just be seen as eye candy in 2018, clearly this makes them evil communists from the past...
I'm not "triggered" over this because I like looking at women when watching sport and I dare say my fellow men will swiftly get over this (because yes, most men have half a brain cell and don't watch F1 or darts because of elegant women, we watch porn for that). I'm "triggered" by pressure groups claiming to be on the left and displaying such utter hypocrisy it makes my eyes and ears bleed.
again, there is zero evidence to support your claim that they only did this due to "pressure from left groups" so unless you can produce some you've not got a leg to stand on beyond your hatred of the Left groups you are talking about tbh.
Finally, yes I do think it was funny someone felt to call out a worker for a non-reason, and would invite the complainant to enter the real world.
charming, tells me all I need to know about how you view women.
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