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    Turns out some right-winger punching a woman in the face is what started it. Where are all the fearless 'free-speech' defenders from this thread now? Surely the right deserves just as much criticism from you Rational™ Sceptics™.
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    (Original post by gamendes)
    Turns out some right-winger punching a woman in the face is what started it. .
    Pretty sure these people turning up at the event and trying to ruin it for everyone else is what started it.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Pretty sure these people turning up at the event and trying to ruin it for everyone else is what started it.
    Nah, that's no excuse for violence.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Pretty sure these people turning up at the event and trying to ruin it for everyone else is what started it.
    I feel someone not having the decency to assassinate this Oxygen thieving bounder is what started it actually
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    Gotta admit the left in this country have been getting up to some pretty embarrassing hijinks lately.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Gotta admit the left in this country have been getting up to some pretty embarrassing hijinks lately.
    How exactly do a couple of people represent 'the left'? By this generalisation we can deduce all rights wingers are terrorists who like driving in to people at prayer...
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    (Original post by the beer)
    Nah, that's no excuse for violence.
    I'm not excusing it. The student shouldn't have thrown the punch.

    That's a different question from what started this. To disrupt someone's event and then look for sympathy when they react is crazy.
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    Classic fascists on the far right, punching a woman protester, nearly on the anniversary of the women earning their right to vote, dressing up as Nazis and dining with JRM.

    Then whinging and trying to ban protestors, again, going out of their way to ban the right to protest, a thought process that would currently mean that women don't have the right to vote.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Classic fascists on the far right, punching a woman protester, nearly on the anniversary of the women earning their right to vote, dressing up as Nazis and dining with JRM.

    Then whinging and trying to ban protestors, again, going out of their way to ban the right to protest, a thought process that would currently mean that women don't have the right to vote.
    clearly the women who attacked Mr Rees-Mogg were not wedded to the ballot box. having obtained the right to vote they should respect the democratic process instead of resorting to thuggery.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    How exactly do a couple of people represent 'the left'? By this generalisation we can deduce all rights wingers are terrorists who like driving in to people at prayer...
    No of course they don't represent the left as a whole but when a group of leftists decide to band together and organise a stunt like this they certainly become representatives of the left as far as the general public is concerned, which is why it's embarrassing.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    I'm not excusing it. The student shouldn't have thrown the punch.

    That's a different question from what started this. To disrupt someone's event and then look for sympathy when they react is crazy.
    He wasn't a student. And the protesters were perfectly within their rights doing it peacefully. Free-speech doesn't just apply to people you agree with.

    (Original post by the bear)
    clearly the women who attacked Mr Rees-Mogg were not wedded to the ballot box. having obtained the right to vote they should respect the democratic process instead of resorting to thuggery.
    Except for the fact that nobody attacked him.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    I'm not excusing it. The student shouldn't have thrown the punch.
    Don't think any student threw a punch, just some bloke that likes to dress up as a Nazi.

    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    That's a different question from what started this. To disrupt someone's event and then look for sympathy when they react is crazy.
    Sure but not if the reaction is disproportionate and/or illegal, and are they looking for sympathy or just recognition that it happened, cos it's been in the news for days and this is the first i've heard of it.
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    (Original post by gamendes)
    He wasn't a student. And they were perfectly within their rights to protest peacefully. Free-speech doesn't just apply to people you agree with.
    I've dealt with this various times.

    This sort of activity is not morally defensible on grounds of free speech. I would say the same thing if this were the right interrupting a left wing event. When people are gathered to hear reasoned speech, and you decide to take it upon yourself to close it down with yelling, you are not furthering any value that can sensibly fall under free speech. What you are doing is shutting down real speech and replacing it with your screeching.

    This sort of activity is, basically, deeply uncivilised. It's akin to burning books you don't agree with -- all you're trying to do is silence ideas you dislike. And the sense of entitlement in doing so in this way is incredible. It's not just limited to interrupting someone else's event: it's proceeding to do so on someone else's property, which has been properly authorised for use in this event. You have a fundamental right to say whatever you like, but not to walk into someone else's living room and say it.

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    Sure but not if the reaction is disproportionate and/or illegal, and are they looking for sympathy or just recognition that it happened, cos it's been in the news for days and this is the first i've heard of it.
    I think they are looking for sympathy.

    The tone of it is: 'Oh my god, can you believe this happened?'

    Yes, I can believe it. It's a pretty natural consequence of walking into someone's event and trying to ruin everyone's evening.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    It's a pretty natural consequence of walking into someone's event and trying to ruin everyone's evening.
    This sounds an awful lot like you condoning the actions of the thug in a white shirt to me.
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    (Original post by the beer)
    This sounds an awful lot like you condoning the actions of the thug in a white shirt to me.
    Well I don't think I can make myself any clearer on that point, so if that's your reading there's not very much I can do about it.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Well I don't think I can make myself any clearer on that point, so if that's your reading there's not very much I can do about it.
    You believe the natural consequence of disrupting a Tory MP is a punch to the face, yep, pretty clear.
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    So your answer to their apparent transgression against free speech is to remove their right to free speech? It's like you people don't even listen to the drivel that comes out of your own mouths.
    1: freedom of speech doesn't mean you can interrupt a booked speaker. I believe I have a right to free speech but I can't jump onto the stage at Glastonbury and steal the mic without being tackled/suplexed.

    2: they were offered the chance to debate and they refused. If you aren't willing to discuss your views, we have no obligation to hear about them.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Gotta admit the left in this country have been getting up to some pretty embarrassing hijinks lately.
    Our socialist forebears stormed the winter palace. We shall storm the coffee shop! Long live the republic! :france:
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    Sounds like, as usual in these situations, the right wing media have misrepresented what took place.

    The first violent act was by a right wing supporter of Rees Mogg, one of his constituency team apparently.

    RM to give him credit did try to engage the protesters in debate.

    The masked entrants were not university students at either Bristol or UWE.

    Apart from that, everything the media have said about it was 100% true. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by the beer)
    You believe the natural consequence of disrupting a Tory MP is a punch to the face, yep, pretty clear.
    I'm fine with this. Means we can punch back

    Serioulsy though, at best these kind of actions are inconsequential (albiet can be satifying to watch for leftists) but no one beyond partisans pay close attention. At worse it gives the state an excuse to clamp down on dissent and feeds the right in the culture wars.See May suggesting to make it illegal for these protesters to protest MPs like that.

    At the moment the left is starting to win the economic arguments to some degree so the Tories are trying to make it all about a culture war. Stop giving them easy propoganda. Focus on getting millions of normies to take to the street and/or vote for you.
 
 
 
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