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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Sounds like, as usual in these situations, the right wing media have misrepresented what took place.

    The first violent act was by a right wing supporter of Rees Mogg, one of his constituency team apparently.

    RM to give him credit did try to engage the protesters in debate.

    The masked entrants were not university students at either Bristol or UWE.

    Apart from that, everything the media have said about it was 100% true. :rolleyes:
    They are also not members of Labour apparently.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    No of course they don't represent the left as a whole but when a group of leftists decide to band together and organise a stunt like this they certainly become representatives of the left as far as the general public is concerned, which is why it's embarrassing.
    And the media oblige by making them instant national figures. If they are part of Momentum, then it's evidence that the Mo feed on the Meejah and vice-versa. Never were two suitors more appropriate for each other!
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    No of course they don't represent the left as a whole but when a group of leftists decide to band together and organise a stunt like this they certainly become representatives of the left as far as the general public is concerned, which is why it's embarrassing.
    Again though wouldnt that mean that the right now has the portrayal as a bunch of thugs chanting immigrants out waving English flags?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    And the media oblige by making them instant national figures. If they are part of Momentum, then it's evidence that the Mo feed on the Meejah and vice-versa. Never were two suitors more appropriate for each other!
    Yup. And any leftists who wants to win has to have a strategy to deal with the media war. It could be that the negative coverage this gets helps the left's cause, but I doubt it. At best this stuff is just inconsequential, at worse is damaging. Personally I think it is like the "corbyn supported the IRA" stuff. Most people just don't care when it comes to voting or pledging support.

    The whole point of doing stunts like this is supposed to be to send a signal. You want to send good signals, not bad ones.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Yup. And any leftists who wants to win has to have a strategy to deal with the media war. It could be that the negative coverage this gets helps the left's cause, but I doubt it. At best this stuff is just inconsequential, at worse is damaging. Personally I think it is like the "corbyn supported the IRA" stuff. Most people just don't care when it comes to voting or pledging support.

    The whole point of doing stunts like this is supposed to be to send a signal. You want to send good signals, not bad ones.
    It's so useful at this point in the propaganda operations for Rees-Mogg and hardline Brexit, a cynic might wonder if the whole thing might not have been staged. How hard can it be to rent a small protesting mob for the evening?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Sounds like, as usual in these situations, the right wing media have misrepresented what took place.

    The first violent act was by a right wing supporter of Rees Mogg, one of his constituency team apparently.

    RM to give him credit did try to engage the protesters in debate.

    The masked entrants were not university students at either Bristol or UWE.

    Apart from that, everything the media have said about it was 100% true. :rolleyes:
    What I find astonishing is how easily people lapped this up. Look at the ridiculous title for this thread and the first few pages. Nowhere to be seen now, those posters. The reality of the situation, as almost always, doesn't fit their preexisting world view and narrative of the 'evil liberals' being at fault.
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    (Original post by gamendes)
    . Nowhere to be seen now, those posters.
    Pretty sure the bear and I are all over the last couple of pages.

    Why wouldn't you actually check this was true before you typed it?
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    (Original post by the bear)
    clearly the women who attacked Mr Rees-Mogg were not wedded to the ballot box. having obtained the right to vote they should respect the democratic process instead of resorting to thuggery.
    So the man punching the women in the face is obeying the ballot box is he?
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    Also, what a surprise, this occupies more time on the BBC than the Finsbury Park guy admitting he tried to kill Corbyn
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Also, what a surprise, this occupies more time on the BBC than the Finsbury Park guy admitting he tried to kill Corbyn
    Tbh, the whole thing smells. I hesitate to reach for conspiracy theories, but it has the hallmarks of an MI5 operation, or perhaps Tory black ops.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Yup. And any leftists who wants to win has to have a strategy to deal with the media war. It could be that the negative coverage this gets helps the left's cause, but I doubt it. At best this stuff is just inconsequential, at worse is damaging. Personally I think it is like the "corbyn supported the IRA" stuff. Most people just don't care when it comes to voting or pledging support.

    The whole point of doing stunts like this is supposed to be to send a signal. You want to send good signals, not bad ones.
    The Mogg comes out of this very well. He was brave to attempt to debate the screaming lefties, he tried to keep the peace. He proves himself to be a democrat, reasonable, rational. For him it is all good.

    The left come across for what they are mostly. Antifa, BLM, Trans activists shouting down Jordan Peterson, you name it. Different town, different group, same modus operandi. Same old lefties, always shouting

    Scream and scream to attempt to shout down those you disagree with.

    It is a losing strategy.
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    In defence of the thread title, when this was first posted it was unclear who threw the first punch and it was reasonable to assume that those who turned uo to insult Mogg were guilty of this. The person who was violent was wrong to do so, and I will not try to defend him. Mogg comes out of this well, he engaged with the protesters in a calm way (like he was in the queue at Costa) whereas they were shouting an screaming. Furthermore the protester cause was not helped by the fact they were wearing Balaclavas and sun glasses. Turning up to what is effectively a political debate looking like that makes it look like you are there for trouble.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    The Mogg comes out of this very well. He was brave to attempt to debate the screaming lefties, he tried to keep the peace. He proves himself to be a democrat, reasonable, rational. For him it is all good.

    The left come across for what they are mostly. Antifa, BLM, Trans activists shouting down Jordan Peterson, you name it. Different town, different group, same modus operandi. Same old lefties, always shouting

    Scream and scream to attempt to shout down those you disagree with.

    It is a losing strategy.
    I really do wish you hard right wing nuts would stop saying that 1 or 2 people are representative of all left wingers. What utter shite. Unless you want to be lumped in with the EDL, BNP and other fascist groups?

    You lot are such snow flakes it is unreal, some kids [granted hooligans] swear a little and you start running around crying that your free speech has been impaired. God get a back bone you lot.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    So the man punching the women in the face is obeying the ballot box is he?
    he is an equal opportunities puncher.
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    (Original post by Hazzer1998)
    So once again the "intellectual" left have decided to try and no-platform speakers they don't like on Campus

    http://huffp.st/NuB4v3L

    Come to uni and get a degree in Marxist hooliganism - free speech for all providing it's what I want to hear
    It’s not shocking as it’s been going on now for ages, it’s like a Muslim attack you can’t even remember when they were or how many there were when once it was shocking.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    It’s not shocking as it’s been going on now for ages, it’s like a Muslim attack you can’t even remember when they were or how many there were when once it was shocking.
    Quite.

    And it is not as if the two aren't related. The left are apologists for Islamism, (Corbyn supports Hamas!) and they support open borders and hundreds of thousands of Muslim economic migrant they call "refugees."

    Guys like this, convicted of plotting a chemical attack. The left says let these "refugees" in or you are a racist Islamophobe.

    https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...islamic-925526
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    (Original post by generallee)
    .

    It is a losing strategy.
    So then why is the left of the labour party now closer to state power than it has ever been?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    So then why is the left of the labour party now closer to state power than it has ever been?
    Are they though. There’s not really a prospect of an election. Even if there were, given the mess the Conservatives are in Corbyn should by all accounts be miles ahead.
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    (Original post by Andrew97)
    Are they though.
    Yes. The actual left of the party took over (which is unprecendednted) and then increased the vote share and seat number to the point there is a clear route to victory next election (even if that is in 5 years time).

    The reason they aren't miles ahead is becuase polticis is polarising. You got a big pro Labour coalition, but you also have a big "anyone but corbyn" group that will stick with the Tories no matter what. In these kind of conditions its about which side can break the otherside. The left needs to make sure they win.

    Going by the centrist textbook Labour should have been destroyed. It wasn't, quite the opposite. It has totally got round the pasokification problem it's sister parties in Europe are facing.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    So then why is the left of the labour party now closer to state power than it has ever been?
    Talk to when they have won a working majority. You guys should be doing a lot better considering how dreadful this government is, and how divided.

    Even if Corbyn and the complete loonies alongside him do win an election the left will be the losers. It will be such a catastrophic administration that Labour will be out of power for a generation.

    Hard left governments are ALWAYS disasters. Ask the poor, suffering people of Venezuela.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKBN1FP2WK
 
 
 
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