Trotskyist Thugs attack JRM at university

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No of course they don't represent the left as a whole but when a group of leftists decide to band together and organise a stunt like this they certainly become representatives of the left as far as the general public is concerned, which is why it's embarrassing.

Again though wouldnt that mean that the right now has the portrayal as a bunch of thugs chanting immigrants out waving English flags?

Reply 121

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by Fullofsurprises

And the media oblige by making them instant national figures. If they are part of Momentum, then it's evidence that the Mo feed on the Meejah and vice-versa. Never were two suitors more appropriate for each other!

Yup. And any leftists who wants to win has to have a strategy to deal with the media war. It could be that the negative coverage this gets helps the left's cause, but I doubt it. At best this stuff is just inconsequential, at worse is damaging. Personally I think it is like the "corbyn supported the IRA" stuff. Most people just don't care when it comes to voting or pledging support.

The whole point of doing stunts like this is supposed to be to send a signal. You want to send good signals, not bad ones.

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Reply 122

Fullofsurprises

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

It's so useful at this point in the propaganda operations for Rees-Mogg and hardline Brexit, a cynic might wonder if the whole thing might not have been staged. How hard can it be to rent a small protesting mob for the evening?

Reply 123

gamendes

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Sounds like, as usual in these situations, the right wing media have misrepresented what took place.

The first violent act was by a right wing supporter of Rees Mogg, one of his constituency team apparently.

RM to give him credit did try to engage the protesters in debate.

The masked entrants were not university students at either Bristol or UWE.

Apart from that, everything the media have said about it was 100% true. :rolleyes:

What I find astonishing is how easily people lapped this up. Look at the ridiculous title for this thread and the first few pages. Nowhere to be seen now, those posters. The reality of the situation, as almost always, doesn't fit their preexisting world view and narrative of the 'evil liberals' being at fault.

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Reply 124

TimmonaPortella

Original post by gamendes

. Nowhere to be seen now, those posters.

Pretty sure the bear and I are all over the last couple of pages.

Why wouldn't you actually check this was true before you typed it?

Reply 125

That Bearded Man

Original post by the bear

clearly the women who attacked Mr Rees-Mogg were not wedded to the ballot box. having obtained the right to vote they should respect the democratic process instead of resorting to thuggery.

So the man punching the women in the face is obeying the ballot box is he?

Reply 126

That Bearded Man

Also, what a surprise, this occupies more time on the BBC than the Finsbury Park guy admitting he tried to kill Corbyn

Reply 127

Fullofsurprises

Original post by That Bearded Man

Also, what a surprise, this occupies more time on the BBC than the Finsbury Park guy admitting he tried to kill Corbyn

Tbh, the whole thing smells. I hesitate to reach for conspiracy theories, but it has the hallmarks of an MI5 operation, or perhaps Tory black ops.

Reply 128

generallee

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

The Mogg comes out of this very well. He was brave to attempt to debate the screaming lefties, he tried to keep the peace. He proves himself to be a democrat, reasonable, rational. For him it is all good.

The left come across for what they are mostly. Antifa, BLM, Trans activists shouting down Jordan Peterson, you name it. Different town, different group, same modus operandi. Same old lefties, always shouting

Scream and scream to attempt to shout down those you disagree with.

It is a losing strategy.

Reply 129

Andrew97

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In defence of the thread title, when this was first posted it was unclear who threw the first punch and it was reasonable to assume that those who turned uo to insult Mogg were guilty of this. The person who was violent was wrong to do so, and I will not try to defend him. Mogg comes out of this well, he engaged with the protesters in a calm way (like he was in the queue at Costa) whereas they were shouting an screaming. Furthermore the protester cause was not helped by the fact they were wearing Balaclavas and sun glasses. Turning up to what is effectively a political debate looking like that makes it look like you are there for trouble.

Reply 130

Napp

Original post by generallee

I really do wish you hard right wing nuts would stop saying that 1 or 2 people are representative of all left wingers. What utter shite. Unless you want to be lumped in with the EDL, BNP and other fascist groups?

You lot are such snow flakes it is unreal, some kids [granted hooligans] swear a little and you start running around crying that your free speech has been impaired. God get a back bone you lot.

Reply 131

the bear

Original post by That Bearded Man

So the man punching the women in the face is obeying the ballot box is he?

he is an equal opportunities puncher.

Reply 132

username1148663

Original post by Hazzer1998

So once again the "intellectual" left have decided to try and no-platform speakers they don't like on Campus

http://huffp.st/NuB4v3L

Come to uni and get a degree in Marxist hooliganism - free speech for all providing it's what I want to hear

It’s not shocking as it’s been going on now for ages, it’s like a Muslim attack you can’t even remember when they were or how many there were when once it was shocking.

Reply 133

generallee

Original post by paul514

It’s not shocking as it’s been going on now for ages, it’s like a Muslim attack you can’t even remember when they were or how many there were when once it was shocking.

Quite.

And it is not as if the two aren't related. The left are apologists for Islamism, (Corbyn supports Hamas!) and they support open borders and hundreds of thousands of Muslim economic migrant they call "refugees."

Guys like this, convicted of plotting a chemical attack. The left says let these "refugees" in or you are a racist Islamophobe.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/derby-man-guilty-plotting-islamic-925526

Reply 134

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by generallee

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It is a losing strategy.

So then why is the left of the labour party now closer to state power than it has ever been?

Reply 135

Andrew97

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Original post by ChaoticButterfly

So then why is the left of the labour party now closer to state power than it has ever been?

Are they though. There’s not really a prospect of an election. Even if there were, given the mess the Conservatives are in Corbyn should by all accounts be miles ahead.

Reply 136

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by Andrew97

Are they though.

Yes. The actual left of the party took over (which is unprecendednted) and then increased the vote share and seat number to the point there is a clear route to victory next election (even if that is in 5 years time).

The reason they aren't miles ahead is becuase polticis is polarising. You got a big pro Labour coalition, but you also have a big "anyone but corbyn" group that will stick with the Tories no matter what. In these kind of conditions its about which side can break the otherside. The left needs to make sure they win.

Going by the centrist textbook Labour should have been destroyed. It wasn't, quite the opposite. It has totally got round the pasokification problem it's sister parties in Europe are facing.

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Reply 137

generallee

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

So then why is the left of the labour party now closer to state power than it has ever been?

Talk to when they have won a working majority. You guys should be doing a lot better considering how dreadful this government is, and how divided.

Even if Corbyn and the complete loonies alongside him do win an election the left will be the losers. It will be such a catastrophic administration that Labour will be out of power for a generation.

Hard left governments are ALWAYS disasters. Ask the poor, suffering people of Venezuela.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy/venezuela-announces-99-6-percent-devaluation-of-official-forex-rate-idUSKBN1FP2WK

Reply 138

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by generallee

Even if Corbyn and the complete loonies alongside him do win an election the left will be the losers. It will be such a catastrophic administration that Labour will be out of power for a generation.

You mean like the current Tory adminstration and the cluster**** that is Brexit? :laugh:

Labour put the Tories in the wilderness with New Labour. Lets see if we can do it again with Corbynism! :top:

OHHHHHHHH, JEEREEEEMMMMMYYY COOOOORBYN!

Western European countries are pretty welathy and stable. Don't see why it would be that different to the experience of Scandi countries. Even though the left is in charge they are really not pusing anything beyond mild social democracy this country has faced muiltiple times and come out unscathed. In fact we a much better country to live in because of it. It;s just that due to the stupid ages we currently live in it is taking the hard left to propose the mild solutions due to the uselessness of the centre and centre left. This is likely down to the fact that the current crisis of capatalism makes it easier for the left as they are genuinly more criticle of capatalism. The centre and centre-left seemed to have lobotomised themselves with the Third Way stuff, which no longer works when we have had the financial crisis.

Who knows, maybe if they get in government and ti works, they will grow more bold and have the confidense to engage in actually transforming society along socialist change. That's what I hope happens.

Venezualua is a totally different country with totally different problems. We aren't for example totally reliant on oil exports and have muderouse right wing factions who want to eneact a couq. We also have not suffered the hisotry of right wing dicators ever since the the second world war. I do agree that these places do paint some kind of worry. I'm not a totally statist socialist and I have issues with what the left in Venzeulua have done.

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Reply 139

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by generallee

Even if Corbyn and the complete loonies alongside him do win an election the left will be the losers. It will be such a catastrophic administration that Labour will be out of power for a generation.