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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    So, you're just saying that people can move the goalposts.
    People can totally move the goalposts. Perspectives on Christianity have changed endlessly over the years (and this has never been any secret), from the religions earliest beginnings, to the present day. It is why there are so many different churches, so many different cultures etc.

    The only Christians who claim to try and follow the bible 100% are the Jehovah Witness's, and they only make up a tiny percentage of Christians (so are not really representative of the broader religion).

    Christianity has always been in a state of flux.


    (Original post by Unkilled)
    The reason I'm arguing against the christian God is that it has the most objectively defined parameters that I can think of.
    Not really true when previously you stated that you hadn't read any other religions books. Rather than using the Christian God because "it has the most objectively defined parameters", more like you are using the Christian God because it's the only religions God that you're somewhat decently familiar with.
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    (Original post by The Night King)
    Exactly. That is the so called “God” people keep going on about. There is no heaven, there is no hell...There’s simply existence. And life never ends, it’s an iterative cycle.
    Exactly.
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    (Original post by asianprincess123)
    god is god no one created him but he created us and this world the Most Mercifull the Most kind
    If you use the logic of “someone must have made it” then you must think someone created God. How did god begin? I remember in youth group being told to say “faith is believing in god despite not having all the answers” when people asked that question. But you can’t use “because god” as an argument since theres no way to prove he exists.

    He isn’t very merciful or kind if you’ve read the bible.
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    The thing about the big bang is that it happened before time existed. Therefore, it needs no creation.
    Makes you wonder what there was “before” our universe was created. Or what there still is outside our universe 👽
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    Makes you wonder what there was “before” our universe was created. Or what there still is outside our universe 👽
    Look up String Theory: chaotic inflation and eternal inflation. It explains it pretty well.
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    (Original post by The Night King)
    Look up String Theory: chaotic inflation and eternal inflation. It explains it pretty well.
    Whilst cosmic inflation is very enticing, there are far too many inherent weaknesses in string theory. Do you not think that bridging the gap between quantum mechanics and general relativity has less room for criticism?
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    I dislike the idea of a God for so many reasons. I won't go into rant mode yet but the idea of something watching over us is unsettling and eternal life or punishment is just immoral and despicable really.
    I find it hard to say anything nice about a God.
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    This seems dismissive of dialogue.
    i'm very dismissive of useless talking yes. if nothing useful could be said, then say nothing, or as little as possible.
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    (Original post by asianprincess123)
    god is god no one created him but he created us and this world the Most Mercifull the Most kind
    If you can believe God came from nowhere, why are you saying the Big Bang cannot come from nowhere? Your reasoning doesn't appear to be very consistent here... (I'm not claiming here that the Big Bang came from nowhere, it's still open to debate.)
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    If you use the logic of “someone must have made it” then you must think someone created God. How did god begin? I remember in youth group being told to say “faith is believing in god despite not having all the answers” when people asked that question. But you can’t use “because god” as an argument since theres no way to prove he exists.

    He isn’t very merciful or kind if you’ve read the bible.
    i dont need to read the bible thank you because its been changed and i will read the quran because it has the truth and before you say god isnt mercifull and kind just think how disrespectfull that is to people who belive in god especially muslims like myselve
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    If you use the logic of “someone must have made it” then you must think someone created God. How did god begin? I remember in youth group being told to say “faith is believing in god despite not having all the answers” when people asked that question. But you can’t use “because god” as an argument since theres no way to prove he exists.

    He isn’t very merciful or kind if you’ve read the bible.
    i have a strong belief in god i dont need to be finding logic about it because i belive in god why do people deney god when science has proved god exists only ignorant people would ignore it
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    As Einstein said: "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness."
    Religion has also given people the strength to be brave and compassionate in extremely difficult and scary situations.
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    Well, I would say that there isn't a god. Not that I think that it isn't possible for some higher entity to exist: that could be credible, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support that belief. However, I do think that the God described in religious texts does not exist.

    This is because it is not logically possible for a god to possess any of the following factors:
    - Omnipotence
    - Omniscience
    - Omnipresence
    - Omnibenevolence
    - Supernatural

    Omnipotence is not possible because you can't make a square circle. Omniscience because then the God would've known his own existence before he existed. Which is impossible. Omnibenevolence speaks for itself, and I refuse to believe that God is supernatural giving that his existence MUST have a scientific explanation. As for Omnipresence, the universe constantly expands. So there.
    Although I am certain that gods of religions don't exist (because their texts are full of errors, contradictions and theological flaws), the arguments you've given above aren't very good ones in an attempt to disprove a general deity.

    1) The characteristic of omnipotence has not been defined as "being able to do anything" by theists for centuries now. They knew, all those years ago, that such a concept would include the flaws you've pointed out. Theists have therefore redefined omnipotence to mean "the power to do anything that is logically possible". In this way, God would still be omnipotent, he cannot make a square circle, not because he isn't omnipotent, but because a square circle is logically impossible. Not even God can make a married bachelor or a child who is its own parent, because these things are internally contradictory. Nonsense is still nonsense, even when applied to God.

    2) Not quite sure what you're trying to say by the omniscience point considering that most theists believe God has always existed and never came into existence.

    3) How does the expansion of the universe contradict an omnipresent god?
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    (Original post by asianprincess123)
    i dont need to read the bible thank you because its been changed and i will read the quran because it has the truth and before you say god isnt mercifull and kind just think how disrespectfull that is to people who belive in god especially muslims like myselve
    Since I grew up christian that god is who I refer to when I talk specifically about my beef, I can’t comment on any other religions as I don’t have the knowledge.

    I believe that a god who demands to be worshipped and obeyed without question is nothing more than a dictator or a slave owner. And I find it disrespectful for a so called higher power to murder and torture, or condemn people to hell (or something like it) if they don’t do exactly as he says.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    If you use the logic of “someone must have made it” then you must think someone created God. How did god begin? I remember in youth group being told to say “faith is believing in god despite not having all the answers” when people asked that question. But you can’t use “because god” as an argument since theres no way to prove he exists.

    He isn’t very merciful or kind if you’ve read the bible.
    God creates but is not created itself. God does not begin because God has always existed. To suggest that God has a beginning would suggest that he is human. God is the Prime Mover whose desire and will moves other things to come into existence.

    Also, there is no way to prove that God doesn't exist. Agnosticism seems the most logical viewpoint to have.

    It depends on what part of the bible you read as is the case with any holy book. The Old Testament certainly has more stories about God's Vengeance than the New Testament.
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    (Original post by alrarity09)
    I actually do agree with this, like if you believe in a god and its correct, woohoo you get to go to heaven, if its incorrect like you would care anyway cause you're dead by that point. However if you disbelief and there is a god then you're gonna go to hell right.
    Well no, because if you're wrong and the real god is one you didn't believe in then you're also going to hell. What you're describing here is Pascal's Wager, and it's been debunked a million times.
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    (Original post by asianprincess123)
    i have a strong belief in god i dont need to be finding logic about it because i belive in god why do people deney god when science has proved god exists only ignorant people would ignore it
    No one asked you to join in on this thread and debate the existence of god, so maybe you do have some underlying interest in the possibility that he could not.

    Science has proven at most that god probably doesn’t exist. There is no scientific evidence to support the god theory, but if you have some please share a link so the rest of the world can see this undeniable proof of god?
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    (Original post by asianprincess123)
    i dont need to read the bible thank you because its been changed and i will read the quran because it has the truth and before you say god isnt mercifull and kind just think how disrespectfull that is to people who belive in god especially muslims like myselve
    Quran same as bible - revised many times. Your merciful God is a liar who is happy to tell his mindless followers to kill anyone who don't believe. Also to kill even those who do believe, should they have doubts about religion.

    Re: your comment about it being disrespectful to you. Promoting genocidal religion is more disrespectful to the numerous dead killed by religion - both Christianity and Islam.
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    (Original post by Jang Gwangnam)
    The main point is that we can't see God, but we know he exists because of Religious texts. Some people claim to be God (we got Hitler and Buddha) but they all died. Some people were worshipped as a God (Jesus - he didn't die per the Islamic view).
    This is a non-sequitur, dying doesn't necessarily mean something isn't God. God, if it exists, could very easily choose to incarnate in a biological body which is then subject to death. Also, when did Hitler claim to be God, I've never heard of that before?

    The thing when looking at the grand scale of things God has been linked with humanity since times long past. Obviously I'm Muslim - i believe that Jews, Christians and Muslims essentially worship the same God. The figures are all linked to each other and idol worshipping is banned in each. Though the rules within each are different because the texts (Torah and Bible) have been changed.
    Well that's where you're mistaken because the gods of those religions are very different. Christians believe God is trinitarian and that he took on physical form, Muslims don't, ergo different deities.

    The only way to prove God exists is through his texts - and that is the reason why i believe in him, because some passages in the Quran are proven by science (embryonic development) over a millennium before the scientific research found out about it.
    This simply isn't true. The embryonic development described by the Quran is full of errors: incorrectly describes embryo as blood-clot, incorrectly compares it to a leech, gets the development order wrong, gives the incorrect anatomical location of semen production and completely fails to mention the female egg. Clearly the work of 7th century Arabs who had plagiarised previous work on embryology done by the Ancient Greeks and thus contained many of the same errors. An omniscient god would not have made such childish, imprecise comparisons and completely forgotten to mention the ovum.
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    (Original post by constantine2016)
    Religion has also given people the strength to be brave and compassionate in extremely difficult and scary situations.
    Many humans have found the ability and strength to be brave and compassionate without need of religion.

    So religion has given nothing that a person cannot get somewhere else.
 
 
 
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