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    (Original post by loveleest)
    lmao! right.
    Why lmao? Why are you happy with the murder of babies? It is this casual indifference that gets me with some women. It is very sad.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Why lmao? Why are you happy with the murder of babies? It is this casual indifference that gets me with some women. It is very sad.
    You’re murdering babies every time you [email protected] off into a tissue. How could you kill your children like that?
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    You’re murdering babies every time you [email protected] off into a tissue. How could you kill your children like that?
    You need to study biology. A child is not just one or the other but a combination of both. Masturbation is not killing children.

    A woman who is pregnant and then aborts the child has committed murder. We should not try to rationalise it or make up an excuse like you did.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    Oh stop it. It takes effort for girls to get laid are you serious. They dont take forever and spend their rent money and uni loans on clothes, hair, makeup and surgery for nowt. And women get rejected all the time, now you're being sexist towards men assuming all men are perverts who will **** anything.
    Your viewpoint is quite unique amongst men; most of them think it's easy for women to get laid.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    You need to study biology. A child is not just one or the other but a combination of both. Masturbation is not killing children.

    A woman who is pregnant and then aborts the child has committed murder. We should not try to rationalise it or make up an excuse like you did.
    A foetus isn’t a child. Since abortions happen at 24 weeks at the latest (mostly they happen at 12-13 weeks) this isn’t a fully developed baby. At that time, it’s cells that have the potential to become a baby just like sperm.

    A pregnant woman who isn’t ready to raise a child, doesn’t want to raise a child, can’t afford to raise a child, doesn’t want a child from her rapist, isn’t murdering anything by getting an abortion. Since the mother is already fully formed and alive, her life is more important since she actually has one.
    Women aren’t baby factories, if she doesn’t want to have one she shouldn’t be forced to because people think the life of a potential human is more important than an actual human.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Your viewpoint is quite unique amongst men; most of them think it's easy for women to get laid.
    It's not about it being easy for women. It's what saying that means. The undertone is that, men will shag anything. He doesn't realise that saying it's easy for women to get laid [by men] that he's actually insulting men, not women as he intends to, which I also don't agree with because I know he's just bitter. Div.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    A foetus isn’t a child. Since abortions happen at 24 weeks at the latest (mostly they happen at 12-13 weeks) this isn’t a fully developed baby. At that time, it’s cells that have the potential to become a baby just like sperm.

    A pregnant woman who isn’t ready to raise a child, doesn’t want to raise a child, can’t afford to raise a child, doesn’t want a child from her rapist, isn’t murdering anything by getting an abortion. Since the mother is already fully formed and alive, her life is more important since she actually has one.
    Women aren’t baby factories, if she doesn’t want to have one she shouldn’t be forced to because people think the life of a potential human is more important than an actual human.
    A child is formed at conception. This is going to be one of those topics that we will agree to disagree. So i suggest we end here.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    It's not about it being easy for women. It's what saying that means. The undertone is that, men will shag anything. He doesn't realise that saying it's easy for women to get laid [by men] that he's actually insulting men, not women as he intends to, which I also don't agree with because I know he's just bitter. Div.
    It's a good thing that you notice that
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    I’m a male feminist myself and I completely agree with what you’ve said. Many want the benefits the cause gives and don’t consider giving up some sexist social norms.
    I know how to debate feminism, I know statistics, I know how to treat people equally and I know when someone is being discriminated against.
    When I discuss feminism with my friends or family I describe different feminists:
    1. Active feminists - Those who practice the definition of feminism (or at least try to) everyday and promote their views to others by outlining when someone is being sexist. These feminists want to eliminate sexism as much as possible and will try to be equal with their partners. If one buys gifts, the other will too (most of the time), they split the bill (unless it’s a treat) and they approach men if they want to, etc. These are feminists like myself - I’m not obliged to do anything and neither is she. I treat her with as much respect as she gives me - we are equals.
    2. Credit-seeking feminists - These are the types of “feminists” I despise. These are the types that’ll say I’m a feminist when it buys them some street-cred or benefits their cause, but wants to be treated like a “woman” in life. **** off! Its truly annoying coming from someone who loves the principles of the feminist cause and implements it in his life. To me, the girls you are on about are not true feminists, they are posers that are damaging the feminist name which stands for something beautiful, empowering, healthy and rightful.
    Please don’t let credit-seeking feminists take the credit of all the amazing work active feminists do.

    I’d love to see your responses but please don’t be rude, I’m here to debate not fight.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    This is what I don't understand about the modern day gender equality/feminism movement. They want equality in some areas, but other areas they are happy for things to stay the same as long as they receive the benefit.

    Women want equal treatment in the workplace with their male colleagues. They want equal pay (FWIW the gender pay gap is a myth - same job for same hours get paid the same, otherwise it's illegal), they don't want to experience sexual harassment in the workplace (what about all the false accusations which ruin men's careers?), they want the same opportunities men have, they want equal opportunities for promotion (despite many of them taking time off for maternity leave).

    This is all fair enough. Except they don't want equality in dating. Men are still expected to:

    - ask the woman out and face possible rejection (women might give subtle hints, but under no circumstances will they ask the man out - that is "his job")
    - pay for the first date (and possible subsequent dates as well)
    - propose to the woman
    - treat her with meals/gifts
    - hold open the door for her
    - give up his coat if she's cold, so he can freeze (but never the other way around)
    - put the majority of effort into sex (this is centered around pleasing the woman - the man's enjoyment is always assumed)
    - be manly and dominant, never show any weak emotions, keep his problems bottled up because otherwise it's "unmanly"
    - household chores must now be shared. Women no longer have to do all the cooking and cleaning, it's shared equally between men, because otherwise it's gender discrimination/oppression. Despite the fact men are still seen as the primary breadwinner in the household and a man without a job is a virtual disaster.


    So back to the original question: Why do women want gender equality in the workplace (and indeed many other areas), but not in dating? I'm interested to hear to views of men, women and any feminists.
    Okay firstly if you seriously think that just because paying different wages is illegal, it doesn’t happen then you’re delusional. It does, everywhere and there are so many statistics proving that idk how you can deny it.
    Secondly, the number of women who genuinely get sexually assaulted FAR exceed the number that falsely accuse men and most women would and should agree that the latter group are absolute scum.
    Third, how do you expect your children to be raised if women don’t take maternity leave. It takes time to recover after birth and men are generally opposed to being the ones to look after the children.

    I don’t think that men should have to pay for dates or have to ask out the girl, and more and more women have begun to share this view and make this part of relationships more equal.
    The chores part is bs. Women increasingly earn just as much of not more than men and regardless of salary, after working the whole day why is the women any more responsible for the chores. Women who don’t work however do generally take responsibility for the household work.
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    (Original post by anonasian)
    Okay firstly if you seriously think that just because paying different wages is illegal, it doesn’t happen then you’re delusional. It does, everywhere and there are so many statistics proving that idk how you can deny it.
    Is it because of gender though? No. Women and men are paid the same rate per hour (it's illegal not to and any reputable company would quickly get found out if they did it).

    In jobs where salary is negotiable, this will be dependent on experience and the person in question's negotiating skills. Not to do with gender.

    Please show me definitive statistics which prove that women are consistently paid less than men for identical jobs + identical working hours.


    Secondly, the number of women who genuinely get sexually assaulted FAR exceed the number that falsely accuse men and most women would and should agree that the latter group are absolute scum.
    Any genuine cases of sexual assault should be treated very seriously.

    The problem is that the definition has become warped and distorted (lightly touching a woman on the leg in a social situation is now considered sexual assault apparently). Also many women will make up stories to ruin a man's reputation. It doesn't happen as often as there being genuine cases, but it's something for that the courts need to consider when weighing up the evidence.

    Third, how do you expect your children to be raised if women don’t take maternity leave. It takes time to recover after birth and men are generally opposed to being the ones to look after the children.
    I didn't say they shouldn't be looked after. I said that it's unfair a woman expects to be at the same position in her career as a man, when the women has worked fewer hours due to maternity leave.

    I don’t think that men should have to pay for dates or have to ask out the girl, and more and more women have begun to share this view and make this part of relationships more equal.
    Some women share this view, you're right. The vast majority still do not. We live in an age of princesses where young women are lazy and abstain from their responsibilities as women, yet still expect men to be men. Dating principles are stuck in the 1950's, yet the rest of society is focused on equality for everyone. This obviously benefits women massively.

    The chores part is bs. Women increasingly earn just as much of not more than men and regardless of salary, after working the whole day why is the women any more responsible for the chores. Women who don’t work however do generally take responsibility for the household work.
    This is a reference to the wider issue of equality - everything needs to be shared. It's either full-blown equality in absolutely everything or we go back to gender roles. Not some half-way house that benefits women and detriments men.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Why lmao? Why are you happy with the murder of babies? It is this casual indifference that gets me with some women. It is very sad.
    This is dumb since they wouldn't even have developed to a baby. They have no feelings so it's not murder. Again, they are many reasons why women get abortion.
    I feel sorry for people that think like you, and whatever person who repped you.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    It is not a woman’s right to do whatever she wants with her body when another person’s life is at risk.
    If someone would die without a kidney transplant and you are the only perfect match available, should you be forced against your will to give it to them?
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    This is dumb since they wouldn't even have developed to a baby. They have no feelings so it's not murder. Again, they are many reasons why women get abortion.
    I feel sorry for people that think like you, and whatever person who repped you.
    This is really sad. Rather than acknowledging the presence of life, you are now trying to use “feelings” to justify the murder of unborn children.

    There is an ailment called locked-in syndrome. Essentially due to paralysis, the person is unable to move without any feelings. The only major indicator of life is the beating heart. Using your example, then it should be good to murder these people since they have no feelings.

    A baby is formed at conception. I wonder what you would use next to try to normalise murdering children. Maybe you can argue that they are unable to speak or solve basic math problems, so the woman is justified for ending the baby’s life.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    If someone would die without a kidney transplant and you are the only perfect match available, should you be forced against your will to give it to them?
    Yet another moronic example from another woman. A kidney donor is completely different to the mother of a child.

    A woman gets pregnant and for some reason believes that she is better off killing her unborn child. So she ends its life. This is a very different story to a person needing a medical organ replacement and struggling to find one.

    This is one of the issues raised on this thread. The apparent ruthlessness of some women without fear or remorse. Personally, i think some women are the real savages. They are capable of murder, but yet try to justify or normalise it and then pretend to be the “fairer” sex. It is truly troubling to read.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    This is really sad. Rather than acknowledging the presence of life, you are now trying to use “feelings” to justify the murder of unborn children.

    There is an ailment called locked-in syndrome. Essentially due to paralysis, the person is unable to move without any feelings. The only major indicator of life is the beating heart. Using your example, then it should be good to murder these people since they have no feelings.

    A baby is formed at conception. I wonder what you would use next to try to normalise murdering children. Maybe you can argue that they are unable to speak or solve basic math problems, so the woman is justified for ending the baby’s life.
    No, under 24 weeks the foetus is not a "child". It cannot feel pain or function as a human. So a women should get an abortion before then.
    You are really ignorant. Women can get pregnant due to rape, due to being in a unstable financial position, failed contraception but to you, women should keep the baby because it's "murder" (which it isn't)
    What I would say I am against though is women using abortion as a contraception, I do think that is wrong.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    The whole ‘dating’ paragraph sounds like an emotionally abusive relationship to me, that ain’t healthy. If a guy wants to “take charge” and pay for everything and shuts me down when I say i’m not comfortable with it that’s a big ol no from me. Both parties should put in equal amounts of effort, expense and work.

    I think women who campaign for the top list are very rarely the same women from the bottom list. The contradiction is only if you generalise “all women” as one group. Then you see one woman wanting something, another woman wanting a contradicting thing, then your head explodes because what a feminist wants isn’t the same as what a gold digger wants. Once you figure out women don’t all have one list of desires to go off, the confusion is easily banished.

    Relationships should be balance and respect, seeing your partner as an equal not just a pay check or a sex doll.
    As a feminist I 100% agree with this. Yes, there are women like those you have described, but they are NEVER those that consider themselves feminists, and if they are, they have misunderstood the meaning of feminism.
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    (Original post by JoeyA2000)
    Completely agree with everything you’ve said there. And when a man breaks up with a women, men are ********s etc etc. But when women break up with men it’s ‘you go girl atttiude’ you don’t need him he’s a looser etc etc. Women are very strange creatures.
    Hey man, I know that it can seem like that. For example, a guy breaks up with a girl and the girl is really upset because she loved him and RESPECTED him. Do you like seeing your friends upset? Of course not! So her friends will say stuff to console her, even if it isn't entirely true like 'he didn't deserve you anyway' or 'we never liked him'. If the girl was really unhappy in the relationship, it can still be really scary breaking up with someone, especially whom they may like as a friend and may not want to lose. Her friends will again support her through that, because it's tough and she needs help.

    Can't you understand that?
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Yet another moronic example from another woman. A kidney donor is completely different to the mother of a child.

    A woman gets pregnant and for some reason believes that she is better off killing her unborn child. So she ends its life. This is a very different story to a person needing a medical organ replacement and struggling to find one.

    This is one of the issues raised on this thread. The apparent ruthlessness of some women without fear or remorse. Personally, i think some women are the real savages. They are capable of murder, but yet try to justify or normalise it and then pretend to be the “fairer” sex. It is truly troubling to read.
    How is it really that different? You said that a person does not have the right to do whatever they want with their body where another persons life is at risk.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    How is it really that different? You said that a person does not have the right to do whatever they want with their body where another persons life is at risk.
    They are two different people in different bodies. A pregnant mother has her unborn child in her and completely dependent on her. Those are very different things. That is why the mother does not have a right to end the child’s life.
 
 
 

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