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    (Original post by tylerthegoat)
    You dont have an argument. comparing societal issues to the world of dating is simply dumb.

    If you're ugly and girl rejects you, does that mean women hate unattractive people? If you're short or poor and a woman rejects you, is that telling of anything? No.

    You sound like a bitter ugly man. People will have preferences, that's how it is.

    Not to mention the vast generalisations you make. Not all women expect men to pay for dates, not all women expect men to bottle up emotions etc etc. This sort of silly generalisations, which imo is actually a bit of a minority now, is proof your idea of women comes from TV and media as opposed to real life.

    Ultimately your argument assumes all men are like you. Desperate, pathetic and ugly and will allow themselves to obey a woman as opposed to being happy yourself. You'll just suck it up instead of actually dumping her and finding the right one. Although from the way you sound youre probably a virgin anyway.
    You seem to have missed the point.

    I understand that women have preferences, I didn't say they don't. They have every right to reject any man who asks her out.

    What is unfair is that women are expecting equal treatment but only when it benefits them (i.e. in the workplace, but not dating). They are expecting men to ask them out, pay for things etc. but not taking their fair share.

    This is what I don't understand about modern day feminism - is it fighting for equality, or preferential treatment for women?

    Your post is a just a load of angry nonsense which misses the point, rather than addressing the issues and having a proper debate about equal rights.
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    OP's salty cos girls reject him
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    (Original post by tylerthegoat)
    Think you missed the part where I said "they have no understanding of" but hey ho
    and whats being a virgin (or not) got to do with someone's experience of dating?

    One of mates isnt a virgin, but has never been on a date - he's only ever had one night stands. Another has been on dates but is a virgin.

    One has dating experience but no sexual and vice versa for the other, so I refer you to my question again.

    Plus if you're so insecure in yourself, you have to call someone a virgin as a mild insult, just - :rofl:
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    Sports, where does the new age of feminism leaves us? Is gender segregation something we ought to consider equalizing, why can't a woman golfer play with the men? If women can serve at the frontline in a war scenario, why can't they play football with the boys? Why have a football league for women or men only? Perhaps the final frontier for absolute egalitarianism, also a crack in the dogmatic dam and from there we could go on but never mind.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    You seem to have missed the point.

    I understand that women have preferences, I didn't say they don't. They have every right to reject any man that asks her out.

    What is unfair is that women are expecting equal treatment but only when it benefits them (i.e. in the workplace, but not dating). They are expecting men to ask them out, pay for things etc. but not taking their fair share.

    This is what I don't understand about modern day feminism - is it fighting for equality, or preferential treatment for women?

    Your post is a just a load of angry nonsense, rather than addressing the issues and having a debate about equal rights.
    You seemed to have missed the point. This isnt a matter of "Rights" you silly entitled man.

    We have a choice in who we date. And if an attractive woman holds the cards, she'd optimise that by getting the ideal person for her. You even got some stuff completely wrong. If you've ever gotten with a woman, you'd know that they are just as keen on pleasuring you. Same with emotional stuff, many women love open men.

    You cannot tell anyone what they want and dont want. Preferences isnt something bitter men like you can dictate.

    As others have said, all you want is a submissive woman you can control.

    YOU are the one who's missed my point.
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    If it wasn't already obvious, the inconsistency you see is a representation that women are in fact not a single entity. Not all women expect the things listed in the OP. Not all women support feminism. Not all women think there is an equality issue. Those that think there is are unlikely to agree on every single issue.

    Women do not collectively want the same thing. Something basic like equal pay is obvious because it's not something that can really be based on opinion. But relationships are down to the individual and everyone has different tastes. Every women wants something different.
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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    and whats being a virgin (or not) got to do with someone's experience of dating?

    One of mates isnt a virgin, but has never been on a date - he's only ever had one night stands. Another has been on dates but is a virgin.

    One has dating experience but no sexual and vice versa for the other, so I refer you to my question again.

    Plus if you're so insecure in yourself, you have to call someone a virgin as a mild insult, just - :rofl:
    Well, this is the classic sort of made up anecdote that you think somehow invalidates my point. It doesn't. OP is obviously inexperienced, the fact that he even thinks gender inequality and the world of dating is comparable is just silly.
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    (Original post by tylerthegoat)
    Well, this is the classic sort of made up anecdote that you think somehow invalidates my point. It doesn't. OP is obviously inexperienced, the fact that he even thinks gender inequality and the world of dating is comparable is just silly.

    Maybe I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, and when he says 'women,' he actually means 'feminists' - some of which do seem to want it both ways in everything. Or maybe he has had negative experiences himself, which has made him come to this pov.

    I do give people the benfit of the doubt too much, I admit :lol:

    Of course, every woman has her preferences, just like we do. - I would never dispute that. - That would be silly
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    (Original post by tylerthegoat)
    You seemed to have missed the point. This isnt a matter of "Rights" you silly entitled man.

    We have a choice in who we date. And if an attractive woman holds the cards, she'd optimise that by getting the ideal person for her. You even got some stuff completely wrong. If you've ever gotten with a woman, you'd know that they are just as keen on pleasuring you. Same with emotional stuff, many women love open men.

    You cannot tell anyone what they want and dont want. Preferences isnt something bitter men like you can dictate.

    As others have said, all you want is a submissive woman you can control.

    YOU are the one who's missed my point.
    Yes women have preferences. They would prefer an attractive man over an unattractive one. I don't get your point? The original post wasn't about that.

    The point is that if true equality exists, women would do their fair share of asking men out who they like. They would always split the bill on dates, they would propose if they wanted to marry him etc. They would be happy to share this burden, rather than expecting the man to always do these things.

    It's either equality in everything, or we go back to gender roles. You can't pick and choose a bit of both - that results in preferential treatment of women over men, which is fundamentally wrong.
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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    Maybe I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, and when he says 'women,' he actually means 'feminists' - some of which do seem to want it both ways in everything. Or maybe he has had negative experiences himself, which has made him come to this pov.

    I do give people the benfit of the doubt too much, I admit :lol:

    Of course, every woman has her preferences, just like we do. - I would never dispute that. - That would be silly
    Erm no, most woman would like gender equality and this "feminist" smear is a bit dumb too. So what?

    Point is, OPs point is invalid, not only because most women arent hypocritical and obnoxious as OP suggests they are, but because the entire comparison is invalid.

    So do you admit that OP saying things like "men are expected to accept rejection" is completely wrong and also sounds controlling and rapey?
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    Yes women have preferences. They would prefer an attractive man over an unattractive one. I don't get your point? The original post wasn't about that.

    The point is that if true equality exists, women would do their fair share of asking men out who they like. They would always split the bill on dates, they would propose if they wanted to marry him etc. They would be happy to share this burden, rather than expecting the man to always do these things.

    It's either equality in everything, or we go back to gender roles. You can't pick and choose a bit of both - that results in preferential treatment of women over men, which is fundamentally wrong.
    I rest my case. I've already refuted your nonsense and you keep repeating it.

    I recommend you get out and actually talk to women instead of crying online like a b*tch.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    Thanks, I find starting off with aggression/insult throwing very rarely achieves anything productive!

    Yeah there’s definitely a much bigger burden on men to make the “first move”, it can be frustrating from both sides as no one is really communicating. There are girls crushing on guys who never know because “if he wanted to talk to you he would” and guys who don’t approach girls because they don’t know if she’s into them or not.

    I agree that it gets better with age, unfortunately it’s still largely expected for men to initiate. Only reason I can think of is that it’s easier to wait for someone to make a move than it is to face rejection, so there aren’t a lot of girls putting themselves on the line.
    Well If men are expected to deal with rejection then personally I think its about time women faced up to that possibility as well. Also from a male perspective I think men aren't so much concerned with rejection as everyone finding out. Women talk, and I think there needs to be a discussion on the gossip culture a lot of women have, a lot of the time its nothing short of humiliation when girls tell everyone they met they've turned down a guy.
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    (Original post by tylerthegoat)
    Erm no, most woman would like gender equality and this "feminist" smear is a bit dumb too. So what?

    Point is, OPs point is invalid, not only because most women arent hypocritical and obnoxious as OP suggests they are, but because the entire comparison is invalid.

    So do you admit that OP saying things like "men are expected to accept rejection" is completely wrong and also sounds controlling and rapey?
    Well thats a different debate for another thread ;p

    Yes I would say he is wrong. Ive never been told that.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    This is what I don't understand about modern day feminism - is it fighting for equality, or preferential treatment for women?
    It is a bit of both, the way I understand it. Preferential treatment for women (women-only lists for MPs, for instance) are the way to achieve this equality thing, presumably until we have a 50/50 split between men and women in the House. In the meantime, men will have to endure 'positive discrimination' on the grounds of historical oppression and loss of earnings. It all hinges on the past victimhood card as the leg to stand on, in order to justify the 'preferential treatment'.
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    (Original post by tylerthegoat)
    I rest my case. I've already refuted your nonsense and you keep repeating it.

    I recommend you get out and actually talk to women instead of crying online like a b*tch.
    You didn't actually address the point of equal rights and gender equality in relation to this subject. You just got angry, called me a bitter virgin (which I'm not) and said that any guy who agrees with this must be ugly.

    I'm willing to have a proper debate about this if you want.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    You didn't actually address the point of equal rights and gender equality in relation to this subject. You just got angry, called me a bitter virgin (which I'm not) and said that any guy who agrees with this must be ugly.

    I'm willing to have a proper debate about this if you want.
    Ive said much much more. Go back and read.
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    (Original post by JoeyA2000)
    Well If men are expected to deal with rejection then personally I think its about time women faced up to that possibility as well. Also from a male perspective I think men aren't so much concerned with rejection as everyone finding out. Women talk, and I think there needs to be a discussion on the gossip culture a lot of women have, a lot of the time its nothing short of humiliation when girls tell everyone they met they've turned down a guy.
    A lot of women do share the power in relationships. The online dating scene is changing the flow too, especially sites like bumble where the woman messages first (SO many less creeps).

    You’ve obviously had some bad experiences with dating or attempting too, but your experience isn’t reflective of the whole ‘dating experience’. I don’t know of anyone who expects or even wants the man to take care of everything. Of course there are girls like that out there, but in reality the majority of girls like more of a balanced relationship.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    A lot of women do share the power in relationships. The online dating scene is changing the flow too, especially sites like bumble where the woman messages first (SO many less creeps).

    You’ve obviously had some bad experiences with dating or attempting too, but your experience isn’t reflective of the whole ‘dating experience’. I don’t know of anyone who expects or even wants the man to take care of everything. Of course there are girls like that out there, but in reality the majority of girls like more of a balanced relationship.
    You've defiantly raised some very interesting points indeed there. I wonder as a woman what is your opinion of social media interaction. Personally I feel that technology is destroying relationships, snapchat messaging etc acts as such fake intimacy with it being extremely difficult to forge a relationship over a phone screen. I also feel that the rise of Instagram and Snapchat has a had direct impact on both Female and Male confidence. It really does make it difficult to for both men and women to trust their partners. As its so easy to facilitate adultery etc with them. And finally I suppose id like to ask do to you feel like with snapchat and Instagram it's making the prospect of long term relationships harder as men and women simple get bored with the next best thing constantly within reach with the simple tap of a button.
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    (Original post by JoeyA2000)
    Completely agree with everything you’ve said there. And when a man breaks up with a women, men are ********s etc etc. But when women break up with men it’s ‘you go girl atttiude’ you don’t need him he’s a looser etc etc. Women are very strange creatures.
    It’s totally dependent on the reason for the break up. If a woman finally breaks up with a man who has been constantly cheating on her then yes the ‘you go girl’ attitude is very fitting.
    If a man breaks up with a woman because she’s put on weight after having his children or because his friends don’t like her then yes, he’s a *******
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    Women not wanting to date you ≠ institutionalised sexism.
    Get a grip, you sound bitter.
 
 
 
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