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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    That is the key problem. A woman should not have the right to take another person’s life.

    If she gets pregnant and finds out that she is unable to take care of the offspring then there are opportunities for adoption and public support. There are women who take that step rather than terminating the unborn child.

    I am getting tired of going round circles. It is ridiculous how people have attempted to bring up reasons to justify the killing of an unborn child.

    In the end, like i wrote before, the woman can do whatever she wants. If she rips out her womb today, i would not care. However, my view is nobody should have a right over the fate of another person’s life.
    You don’t seem to get that most people don’t consider a foetus a person, so getting an abortion isn’t seen as taking another person’s life. Until quite far along in pregnancy, the foetus cannot continue it’s “life” without the mother so it isn’t a separate entity.

    You can believe that “life” starts at conception, but the point that life begins is opinion. It’s like calling a vegan a murderer and saying that they shouldn’t eat plants because they show signs of life, and some studies show plants can feel pain. We don’t think plants have as much right to life as humans, even though they grow and reproduce and ‘live’. To claim that eating plants is murder is ridiculous because their “life” is not equal to the life of a grown person, much like the “life” of an unborn foetus.

    You’re going round in circles because you see the foetus to have as much value and life as a fully grown person, which most people find ludicrous and sometimes offensive. I don’t believe that anyone should be able to kill people, but a foetus isn’t a person. People will never take being called a murderer well, especially when they (and many others) don’t consider what they did murder.
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    (Original post by Axiomasher)
    So you don't want anyone to respond to your views if they are critical of them? I mean, we are all here stating our opinions aren't we? All you have to say is that your position is based on the premise that a fertilised egg is a 'child' or a 'person', no? Some of us, a lot of us, reject that premise is all.
    I am open to my views being debated but i am not here to convince you to accept my views. Two different things.

    I think a fertilised conceived egg is a person. There is a debate on that point, even among doctors and seasoned medical thinkers. Some accept the 24-week threshold for abortion, others reject that. To me, i believe that life begins at conception.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    You don’t seem to get that most people don’t consider a foetus a person, so getting an abortion isn’t seen as taking another person’s life. Until quite far along in pregnancy, the foetus cannot continue it’s “life” without the mother so it isn’t a separate entity.

    You can believe that “life” starts at conception, but the point that life begins is opinion. It’s like calling a vegan a murderer and saying that they shouldn’t eat plants because they show signs of life, and some studies show plants can feel pain. We don’t think plants have as much right to life as humans, even though they grow and reproduce and ‘live’. To claim that eating plants is murder is ridiculous because their “life” is not equal to the life of a grown person, much like the “life” of an unborn foetus.

    You’re going round in circles because you see the foetus to have as much value and life as a fully grown person, which most people find ludicrous and sometimes offensive. I don’t believe that anyone should be able to kill people, but a foetus isn’t a person. People will never take being called a murderer well, especially when they (and many others) don’t consider what they did murder.
    I guess we have to stop here then. No point going on and on. Morality is not absolute but relative, so we have our own set of moral codes.

    I am not going to apologise for my views and i don't care if people find it offensive. There is always someone, who is offended by something. They can kick rocks.

    As i have written before, i am not there with every woman. So if she wants to do whatever she wants she can. Nobody cares and life goes on. We only have to accept the consequences of our actions.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    ...I think a fertilised conceived egg is a person...
    This position suggests that you have a significantly different view of what constitutes 'personhood' to that of those who support abortion.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I think you are confused. Doctors will strongly disagree with your point.
    No, I am not. I think 35 weeks is late. I would say 20 weeks. I do think women that want to abort should d it early as possible though.

    It makes sense to say that a baby is not a human until it becomes developed..

    It's like making a cake. The batter is not a cake until it finishes baking. Batter and the cake are two different things.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I am open to my views being debated but i am not here to convince you to accept my views. Two different things.

    I think a fertilised conceived egg is a person. There is a debate on that point, even among doctors and seasoned medical thinkers. Some accept the 24-week threshold for abortion, others reject that. To me, i believe that life begins at conception.
    LOL. So you think an egg in a human? are you actually being serious lol.

    I remember when I was walking down with my friend once and a bird dropped it's egg. Guess what came out of the shell? It was raw egg.
    So how was that raw egg a bird? Isn't it not fair to say it is a bird until it hatches out of the egg and then you can call it a bird....

    That raw egg cannot breathe, eat, sleep, feel etc...but you would seriously call it a bird?
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    (Original post by Axiomasher)
    This position suggests that you have a significantly different view of what constitutes 'personhood' to that of those who support abortion.
    Yes, that is correct. Now you understand one of elements of this debate.

    When is an entity regarded as a person? Is it at conception? Is it at 6-8 weeks, when the heart and brain (two major determinants for proof of life) begins to function and develop? Is it after 12 weeks, when some other organs start to develop?

    Is it after 20 weeks, when limbs start to significantly develop? Is it after 24 weeks, when Doctors suggest that the child begins to feel pain as a sensory response? Is it after 36 weeks, when the baby is about to be born? Or is it at birth?

    Now, different people have different views on the above. Some Pro-lifers argue that life starts from conception and hence should not be killed. Others suggest different stages along the gestation period.

    Some pro-choicers also argue that life should be sacred when the said life is considered a “person” but they do not agree an absolute point. The compromise is 24 weeks, when the most significant elements of development begins with sensory responses. That is why some pro-choicers rattle on about “oh, the child cannot feel pain, so it is not a human”.

    We have had different scenarios on this thread to justify abortion. Some have used rape, which I think I have rebutted. Some have used incest, which I think I have rebutted. Some have used age and financial hardship, which I think I have rebutted. Some have tried to argue on not being ready for unwanted pregnancy or even the experience of pregnancy, which I think I have rebutted. Some have not even bothered to argue and just said, “oh, it is her body, let her be able to kill the baby”.

    You see people want to have validation to do what they like. It is easy for a woman to kill her unborn child, if you tell her “don't worry darling, it is not really a child until this point”.

    We live in an age when it is okay to normalise things. Once you can normalise the situation, then it is okay to justify it.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    LOL. So you think an egg in a human? are you actually being serious lol.

    I remember when I was walking down with my friend once and a bird dropped it's egg. Guess what came out of the shell? It was raw egg.
    So how was that raw egg a bird? Isn't it not fair to say it is a bird until it hatches out of the egg and then you can call it a bird....

    That raw egg cannot breathe, eat, sleep, feel etc...but you would seriously call it a bird?
    A developing person. We are all developing from conception until death, whether natural or death by abortion.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    No, I am not. I think 35 weeks is late. I would say 20 weeks. I do think women that want to abort should d it early as possible though.

    It makes sense to say that a baby is not a human until it becomes developed..

    It's like making a cake. The batter is not a cake until it finishes baking. Batter and the cake are two different things.
    It is okay to kill a 5 month old baby? Ok.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    A developing person. We are all developing from conception until death, whether natural or death by abortion.
    So a developing raw egg is still a bird? They are two completely different things.... Just because a fetus is developing, that does not make it a person....
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    It is okay to kill a 5 month old baby? Ok.
    Thats not what I said. 20 weeks inside a womb is not a 5 month old baby. I am sure you start your birthday from the day you are fresh out of the womb- no?
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    So a developing raw egg is still a bird? They are two completely different things.... Just because a fetus is developing, that does not make it a person....
    It is a developing person. We all started from somewhere. We did not magically appear at 9 months and became a person with rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    Thats not what I said. 20 weeks inside a womb is not a 5 month old baby. I am sure you start your birthday from the day you are fresh out of the womb- no?
    5 month old unborn child.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    It is a developing person. We all started from somewhere. We did not magically appear at 9 months and became a person with rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.
    I know that. Just like a developing raw egg is NOT a bird. The raw egg that dropped and died felt zero emotion because they have no feelings. Yes all animals/humans start somewhere but it's absurd to call an egg a human life.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    I know that. Just like a developing raw egg is NOT a bird. The raw egg that dropped and died felt zero emotion because they have no feelings. Yes all animals/humans start somewhere but it's absurd to call an egg a human life.
    Please search on Google “20 weeks pregnant” and read about it. Also look at the pictures. Don't just write speculative jargon.

    At 20 weeks, you can know the sex of the baby, listen to their heart beat, receive a stimulus such as “kicking”.

    Here are some links to start with:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...s-pregnant/amp

    https://www.babycenter.com/6_your-pr...-weeks_1109.bc
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    Thats not what I said. 20 weeks inside a womb is not a 5 month old baby. I am sure you start your birthday from the day you are fresh out of the womb- no?
    Regardless, it is still a human life.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Please search on Google “20 weeks pregnant” and read about it. Also look at the pictures. Don't just write speculative jargon.

    At 20 weeks, you can know the sex of the baby, listen to their heart beat, receive a stimulus such as “kicking”.

    Here are some links to start with:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...s-pregnant/amp

    https://www.babycenter.com/6_your-pr...-weeks_1109.bc
    Okay, maybe before 20 weeks. I think women should absolutely abort if they want at any time, but the earlier the better
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    Regardless, it is still a human life.
    not to me it's not.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    not to me it's not.
    I'm afraid we can't put someone's life on the line over a subjective feeling you have.
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    I'm afraid we can't put someone's life on the line over a subjective feeling you have.
    well it's actually debatable when a "child" in the womb is considered human so yes I am allowed to think what i want thx
 
 
 

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