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    I mean, this whole massively gendered dialogue is stupid anyway - we are all just people after all. Some people act reasonably and some people act unreasonably.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Not all women get harassed and it is rapidly on decline. Men are not predators on the lookout for a woman to attack.



    I don't have issues.



    We live in two different communities, so you cannot compare.
    To say harassment is on the decline just shows you are young, naive and/or unempathetic. I don't blame you for that necessarily. I would just say sometimes it's important to recognise you have no personal experience of an issue and therefore perhaps you should temper having strongly held opinions on it. To say that harassment is still a massive problem is not the same as saying, as you put it, that men are all 'predators on the lookout for a woman to attack'.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I am not the only one that has experienced double standard from women. So we are trying to address it on this thread.
    I never said you were. I’m querying why you don’t take it up with the women who do it instead of generalised rants about how we’re all hypocrites.

    If the post was made in an anecdotal way about a specific experience like yours I’d have no issue with discussing it. But it wasn’t, it was an accusation “why do women only want equality if it benefits them” and a bunch of dumb generalisations based on what seems to be very little knowledge of women.

    Experiencing double standards and questioning it isn’t what’s happening when it’s made as an accusation against woman-kind instead of whoever the problem was with.
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    OK maybe you've had some bad experiences but I just don't understand the point of your arguments - they're not helpful and it just comes across as though you're hurting from interactions you've had with women - which are very much not representative of women as a whole.
    I never said all women. I have mentioned some women, so i am not generalising. You should read properly next time.

    (Original post by littleone123)
    To say harassment is on the decline just shows you are young, naive and/or unempathetic. I don't blame you for that necessarily. I would just say sometimes it's important to recognise you have no personal experience of an issue and therefore perhaps you should temper having strongly held opinions on it.
    What? Are you insane? There are objective stats that suggest sexual harassment now is low than then the past and has been on the decline for years. Do not confuse the MeToo campaign which argues about historical cases to present day cases.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I never said all women. I have mentioned some women, so i am not generalising. You should read properly next time.



    What? Are you insane? There are objective stats that suggest sexual harassment now is low than then the past and has been on the decline for years. Do not confuse the MeToo campaign which argues about historical cases to present day cases.
    Um...Weinstein? One small example.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    I never said you were. I’m querying why you don’t take it up with the women who do it instead of generalised rants about how we’re all hypocrites.

    If the post was made in an anecdotal way about a specific experience like yours I’d have no issue with discussing it. But it wasn’t, it was an accusation “why do women only want equality if it benefits them” and a bunch of dumb generalisations based on what seems to be very little knowledge of women.

    Experiencing double standards and questioning it isn’t what’s happening when it’s made as an accusation against woman-kind instead of whoever the problem was with.
    This is the way both sides hold the arguments. The MeToo campaign makes generalisation about sexual harrassments.

    Maybe in that comment, but I often use some women rather than generalising all women. No need to get your panties in a twist.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    I never said all women. I have mentioned some women, so i am not generalising. You should read properly next time.



    What? Are you insane? There are objective stats that suggest sexual harassment now is low than then the past and has been on the decline for years. Do not confuse the MeToo campaign which argues about historical cases to present day cases.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41741615

    I could literally post hundreds of links to articles like this.

    Maybe you should read them and start educating yourself.
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    Um...Weinstein? One small example.
    Weinstein’s case is a historical case that happened over many years. Just because it was reported in 2016 does not mean that he abused all those women in 2016.

    Many of the MeToo stories are historical cases and there are very few current cases. Even the Trump tape was about 10 years old.

    You should look up the stats. Sexual harassments have been on the decline for some years now.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    Weinstein’s case is a historical case that happened over many years. Just because it was reported in 2016 does not mean that he abused all those women in 2016.

    Many of the MeToo stories are historical cases and there are very few current cases. Even the Trump tape was about 10 years old.

    You should look up the stats. Sexual harassments have been on the decline for some years now.
    Oh my goodness, ok, even if sexual harassment was still in decline as you allege, does it even matter? If it happens at all, it matters.

    There are very few current cases? There will be thousands of cases worldwide going on handled by employment lawyers at any one moment, that you won't have heard of because this is happening to ordinary people every day. There will also be thousands of unreported incidents happening every day.

    Again, to be honest, you're just consistently demonstrating your ignorance on these matters.
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    To say harassment is on the decline just shows you are young, naive and/or unempathetic.
    But harassment is on the decline, and people are becoming more aware and opposed against harassment to women than ever... (some campaigns like #MeToo)
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    Plus all your comments come across as 'women bashing'.
    It is not women bashing, just stating points.

    (Original post by loveleest)
    Why would you say that? is it not all subjective anyway

    no not imo lol
    I agree that it is subjective. I also do not generalise.

    (Original post by loveleest)
    well tbh i always think if a guy is interested enough he would ask you out
    Fair, but some men are shy and hope you make the first move esp if he thinks you are above his league.
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    (Original post by k.n.h.)
    But harassment is on the decline, and people are becoming more aware and opposed against harassment against than ever (some campaigns like #MeToo...
    Well if it's on the decline as people keep alleging (without presenting any hard stats) thank god for that, but I'm afraid it will always be an issue and it continues to be a very real issue for many people every day. To try to brashly ignore that is repulsive.
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    Oh my goodness, ok, even if sexual harassment was still in decline as you allege, does it even matter? If it happens at all, it matters.

    There are very few current cases? There will be thousands of cases worldwide going on handled by employment lawyers at any one moment, that you won't have heard of because this is happening to ordinary people every day. There will also be thousands of unreported incidents happening every day.

    Again, to be honest, you're just consistently demonstrating your ignorance on these matters.
    There is no such thing as absolute. There will still be assaults regardless of the progress that we have made on the topic.

    The whole point of the campaigns is that women should be empowered to come out and talk about their experiences. If they don't come out, then how can society help them?
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    Is sexual harassment on the decline or are people just not reporting it? Just because we're not hearing about it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    There is no such thing as absolute. There will still be assaults regardless of the progress that we have made on the topic.

    The whole point of the campaigns is that women should be empowered to come out and talk about their experiences. If they don't come out, then how can society help them?
    Again, you're demonstrating your absolute naivety.

    There are hundreds of reasons why a woman might not want to speak out and the fact that you apparently can't grasp any of these is why I'm afraid I'm not even going to continue this discussion because it makes me too angry.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Is sexual harassment on the decline or are people just not reporting it? Just because we're not hearing about it, doesn't mean it's not happening.
    True - also we shouldn't assume it's on the decline as this has just been alleged and I have been told to 'look up the stats'.

    I can't find any suggesting this.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)



    Fair, but some men are shy and hope you make the first move esp if he thinks you are above his league.

    But why? Surely if he is a "man" he should be confident enough to ask
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    Well if it's on the decline as people keep alleging (without presenting any hard stats) thank god for that, but I'm afraid it will always be an issue and it continues to be a very real issue for many people every day. To try to brashly ignore that is repulsive.
    No one dismissed the fact harassment happens to women, Wired_1800 said not all women experience harassment in the workplace..
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    (Original post by littleone123)
    Again, you're demonstrating your absolute naivety.

    There are hundreds of reasons why a woman might not want to speak out and the fact that you apparently can't grasp any of these is why I'm afraid I'm not even going to continue this discussion because it makes me too angry.
    Alright, fine. Go get your supper.
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    I never let my ex pay for my things or anything like that if anything it was me doing all the work and him letting me get on with it- I think that the whole proposal thing is just because it’s a tradition and I never expected to be given a jacket or coat when I was cold however for me I found that with men it’s the guys that chase us and the chase is the fun bit and it makes us feel like we’re worth something but as soon as they have us they get bored, the only reason some girls are like this is because they get treated like they’re the most important thing and then thrown aside, I found that I just wanted him to give me a bit of attention to see if he still loved me. Perhaps you’re not treating the Sam e all the time, were not just your sex dolls I mean it’s mostly the guy in the sex and as soon as they’re done they can’t be asked to help the girl ygm I
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