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    (Original post by SillyPig123)
    My two cents: I am for equality for all but would no way on earth identify as a feminist, with the way the movement is today. I agree partly with the OP's comment, however as a woman I want to put my opinion here.

    First off, I believe there is a fine line between tradition and girls not wanting to be equal in some areas. There are a couple of things that, as a woman, I would prefer the man to do, like pay for the first date and propose. I would prefer this, not because I'm sexist, just because it's nice to keep tradition. Although this is not to say that a woman can't propose or pay for the first date, I just think it's nice to keep the tradition going.

    Some of the other stuff that you said girls want I don't really believe. Like you said that men are still expected to give the women gifts. They are, but so are women. To me both should be equally contributing to the relationships and both should recieve gifts.

    Another thing that you said is that men are expected to give up their coat and be cold themselves. Maybe some women expect that, but I don't. I guess spme women expect men to give up their coats because men are scientifically warmer than women. But I wouldn't expect a man to give up their coat. That's just selfish on my part.

    Another one that you said is that men are expected to not show any type of negitive emotion. Again, some women might expect that, but I think that is ridiculous. Yes it's not sterotypically 'manly' to cry or whatever but who cares? Both genders are human and should be able to show whatever emotion they want. Again, some women might expect it, but those women are selfish.

    The last one I'll talk about is the shared house cleaning one. I guess feminists want this because their logic is that shared housework would make a man and woman equal?? I don't really care about doing most of the cleaning and stuff. I'm not gonna do it all obviously, but I think men and women have their set skills that they are better at than the other gender. And it's kinda natural for women to sway more towards doing the cleaning and men doing repair work and maintanance stuff.
    If a man must pay for a first date, then you are effectively saying "my time is more valuable than yours, therefore you must pay me to be here". You know how arrogant that looks?

    I'm fine with paying. As long as you give me sex after the date. If you demand I pay, I demand sex. That's fair, isn't it?

    If it's not fair, we can split the bill. Equality isn't a one way street. And please don't say tradition again, that's another way of saying "I want equality only in areas it suits me".
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    Personally I believe that’s just one view, just because society pressures us into living up to the “Stereotypes”. Not ALL women believe in the same values in which you’re suggesting... To suggest that males are more dominant and are in control of a relationship is society living up to a stereotype which is not relevant in today’s modern society. As a women I certainly do not having any expectations of a man when in a relationship and for equality to be achieved we should expect the same from each male and female. However discussing equal pay and relationships are far from each other.. unequal pay is something which isn’t personal to the person but to their gender.. being in a relationship focused on male and female is specific to the person themselves as not all women and men are the same.
    We are living in 2018 older generations have been brought up with these out dates views.. we are living in a critical time period which has allowed more opportunities for equality for both Men and Women. Generalising Women and Men into one category isn’t going to help tackle the issue of equality.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    If a man must pay for a first date, then you are effectively saying "my time is more valuable than yours, therefore you must pay me to be here". You know how arrogant that looks?

    I'm fine with paying. As long as you give me sex after the date. If you demand I pay, I demand sex. That's fair, isn't it?

    If it's not fair, we can split the bill. Equality isn't a one way street. And please don't say tradition again, that's another way of saying "I want equality only in areas it suits me".
    Yeah I guess. I think of the man offers and insists then it's okay, but I guess splitting is fair
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    Since when have you ever seen or heard of a woman proposing? (yes, at some point in history it's probably happened, so don't give me a couple of anecdotal examples - in reality, about 0.00001% of women will propose to the man, which is effectively nothing)

    Holding open doors - yes this is still expected by many women also.
    Source of your statistics?

    So considering much of the nation who are together long term aren't married and most of those that are have cohabited before making this choice, I would say that the decision is more joint evolution than a down on one knee proposal nowadays. As to holding doors, this is just common courtesy. Anyone making a big fuss of holding a door open for a girl is a tosser.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    If a man must pay for a first date, then you are effectively saying "my time is more valuable than yours, therefore you must pay me to be here". You know how arrogant that looks?

    I'm fine with paying. As long as you give me sex after the date. If you demand I pay, I demand sex. That's fair, isn't it?

    If it's not fair, we can split the bill. Equality isn't a one way street. And please don't say tradition again, that's another way of saying "I want equality only in areas it suits me".
    I expect the only time you get sex is when you pay for it.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I expect the only time you get sex is when you pay for it.
    Seems like you're projecting your own experience in life onto me.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    Seems like you're projecting your own experience in life onto me.
    I am not the one posting whiny BS on TSR and acting like a girly man. Why don't you grow a pair?
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I am not the one posting whiny BS on TSR and acting like a girly man. Why don't you grow a pair?
    It's an argument about equality. Why do women demand equality between men in one area, but not in another area? A legitimate question, which shows the hypocrisy of feminism. Perhaps you could respond to this and give a decent argument?

    I tend to find that people who insult people are just projecting their own experience onto others. In other words, you can't get sex without paying for it, so you get angry about that towards other people.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    It's an argument about equality. Why do women demand equality between men in one area, but not in another area? A legitimate question, which shows the hypocrisy of feminism. Perhaps you could respond to this and give a decent argument?

    I tend to find that people who insult people are just projecting their own experience onto others. In other words, you can't get sex without paying for it, so you get angry about that towards other people.
    Because not all women want the same thing, because feminists only make up only 7% of people in Britain. Things contradict because you’re taking what one woman wants and adding it to what another woman wants like they all have the same thoughts and values.
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    (Original post by Wired_1800)
    True, there is a difference between primal needs and other needs.

    I think one major issue with some women is they dont know what they really want and they listen to their friends too much. Yes, some men do the same but I think some women take their friend’s validation over their own.

    A woman can meet a nice lad and refuse to do anything with him. Once another woman gets interested, they want the lad back. I have seen this happen a number of times.
    Yes. I have been that lad on a number of occasions and the only thing I can think of to explain it is their need to perhaps keep a spare male to mate with should the one their with be eaten by a Saber Tooth Tiger. But I think today's women knows her feelings can change at the drop of a hat for no apparent reason so having a man in reserve brings them some comfort.

    To change the subject. It's been said that, "Men fall in love but women choose a mate".
    To offer a bit of supporting evidence I will say that a man can be walking down the street and see a women walking on the opposite side and at 200yrds. get a look at her face and fall crazy in love with her. Now a woman can see an attractive man in the same situation and maybe go a little ga-ga over him but they don't want to start a family with him on the spot. Comments?
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I expect the only time you get sex is when you pay for it.
    You never have a quid pro quo on someone's body.
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    Because not all women want the same thing, because feminists only make up only 7% of people in Britain. Things contradict because you’re taking what one woman wants and adding it to what another woman wants like they all have the same thoughts and values.
    Yeah. That's called collectivism. You know, Stalin.
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    (Original post by snowman77)
    If a man must pay for a first date, then you are effectively saying "my time is more valuable than yours, therefore you must pay me to be here". You know how arrogant that looks?

    I'm fine with paying. As long as you give me sex after the date. If you demand I pay, I demand sex. That's fair, isn't it?

    If it's not fair, we can split the bill. Equality isn't a one way street. And please don't say tradition again, that's another way of saying "I want equality only in areas it suits me".
    I think if you pay, it shows one of two things, or in some cases both:
    You have a massive wallet
    You care about the relationship

    Seriously, this is menial shite. You can pay.
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    (Original post by Zarek)
    Source of your statistics?

    So considering much of the nation who are together long term aren't married and most of those that are have cohabited before making this choice, I would say that the decision is more joint evolution than a down on one knee proposal nowadays. As to holding doors, this is just common courtesy. Anyone making a big fuss of holding a door open for a girl is a tosser.
    Isn't there, like, 1 day in the year when a gal can propose to a guy?
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    (Original post by M99x)
    Personally I believe that’s just one view, just because society pressures us into living up to the “Stereotypes”. Not ALL women believe in the same values in which you’re suggesting... To suggest that males are more dominant and are in control of a relationship is society living up to a stereotype which is not relevant in today’s modern society. As a women I certainly do not having any expectations of a man when in a relationship and for equality to be achieved we should expect the same from each male and female. However discussing equal pay and relationships are far from each other.. unequal pay is something which isn’t personal to the person but to their gender.. being in a relationship focused on male and female is specific to the person themselves as not all women and men are the same.
    We are living in 2018 older generations have been brought up with these out dates views.. we are living in a critical time period which has allowed more opportunities for equality for both Men and Women. Generalising Women and Men into one category isn’t going to help tackle the issue of equality.
    Society functions on the level of the individual.
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    Isn't there, like, 1 day in the year when a gal can propose to a guy?
    What about the other 364 days?
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    What about the other 364 days?
    I know, I was just asking a question. Like, I don't really care.
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    Isn't there, like, 1 day in the year when a gal can propose to a guy?
    Feb 29th apparently. My sister tried this, didn't work
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    Yes. I have been that lad on a number of occasions and the only thing I can think of to explain it is their need to perhaps keep a spare male to mate with should the one their with be eaten by a Saber Tooth Tiger. But I think today's women knows her feelings can change at the drop of a hat for no apparent reason so having a man in reserve brings them some comfort.

    To change the subject. It's been said that, "Men fall in love but women choose a mate".
    To offer a bit of supporting evidence I will say that a man can be walking down the street and see a women walking on the opposite side and at 200yrds. get a look at her face and fall crazy in love with her. Now a woman can see an attractive man in the same situation and maybe go a little ga-ga over him but they don't want to start a family with him on the spot. Comments?
    This seems a bit wild, but it may be true that women are more strategic when it comes to finding a partner. I don't think having a man on the reserve is a good thing because this create an endless cycle for both people.

    In addition, i think there is massive double standard when it comes to women and dating, but at the moment they control the rules, so we just accept and try to manage the situation.

    For example, a woman can quite comfortably go on a date with a dude and expect him to pay for every thing, if the tables are turned, she would label the guy cheap.
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    (Original post by Unkilled)
    I think if you pay, it shows one of two things, or in some cases both:
    You have a massive wallet
    You care about the relationship

    Seriously, this is menial shite. You can pay.
    She can also pay, can't she? Why does the man have to pay?

    By your logic, if she's not paying then she doesn't care about the relationship.

    It was fine 50-100 years ago, because even though the man paid, the woman made up for it in other ways. Gender roles were clearly defined. These days, women are so lazy (especially young women) that they still expect the man to do all the manly duties like ask her out and pay for a date, but at the same time shirk any of the typical female responsibilities.

    I hear in cultures like Latino and Asian, gender roles are still widely prevalent. The man is expected to be a man, and the woman is expected to be a woman. There is no confusion. The issue has come in Western society, where women are acting more and more like men, not wanting the negative responsibilities associated with being a woman, but still complaining that there "aren't any real men" anymore. It's pathetic.
 
 
 
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