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DNA analysis of Cheddar Man reveals first modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin watch

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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
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    Well... yes. Suffering is another issue. I meant in terms of "there are a lot of us" :lol:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The racists are going to feel this one.
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    They'll probably just deny it, same as they do with anything else that doesn't fit in with their worldview.
    You called it, image courtesy of the Daily Mail comment section

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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    I wonder how he would feel about his descendents becoming famous for making cheese? :beard:
    Having no prior knowledge of this I saw the thread title and assumed cheddar man = man made of cheese. Then “how would they determine skin colour through cheese?” and assumed that cheese has DNA. :doh:
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    Well, there is a reasonable fear that the science might be politically motivated, to 'stick it to the racists' so to speak.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    The common explanation is pale skin allows for more vitamin D to be created (because our bodies make it through sunlight exposure), which is essential for healthy development and growth of babies & children. That's the usual explanation for why pale skin became more common in northern hemispheres where there was less sunlight, because it allows for more UV absorption. :dontknow:
    I don’t think it’s an either or issue. Lack of sunlight in the northern hemisphere definitely gave rise to a selective pressure for pale skin, which is why Northern Europeans, and more generally Europeans as a whole, have lighter skin than other populations. Studies have been done and the correlation between light skin and geographical locations lacking in sunlight has been overwhelmingly confirmed.

    Farming certainly helped humans to live in remotely northern locations that otherwise could not have happened with a purely nomadic lifestyle though, but the positive pressure for lighter skin was still there.

    It’s interesting to note though that Inuits have dark skin despite living in very northern locations, which can be explained by the fact that they’re surrounded by snow, which reflects back a much larger proportion of UV to their skin than other geographical features.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    Well... yes. Suffering is another issue. I meant in terms of "there are a lot of us" :lol:
    That's such a naff way of measuring success though -___-

    Plankton are successful according to that defnition.

    As a human myself I am more concerned with living a none alienated existance where I get to enjoy the fruits of human labour and minimize my own suffering. To be frankly honest i care more about my owen personal wellbeing that whether some bloke walked on the moon. It's not like I;m ever going to get to walk on the moon.


    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    Blows my mind.

    The crayfish story is worth reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/s...es-europe.html

    Someone accidentally bred a new kind of crayfish that can clone itself in a tank and now it's all over Europe like something out of sci-fi. :eek4:
    Yeah, it's the grey goo trope.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo

    It's becoming more and more likely to happen. I mean it is arguably already happening with our economic system. Capital is constantly trying to reproduce itself faster and faster, using more and more resources to the point that we are potentially approaching an extinction event with regards to catastrophic climate change. TBO I think alot of these science fiction tropes are just projections of our fears of what we are already doing. The paperclip AI that destroys all off humanity in order to make more paper clips is basically just advanced information capatalism. Just replace paperclips with the binary digits on a computerised finance system.

    This is good article on it.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/tedchiang/t...GPx#.tblGpV87p

    It says everything about us that when confronted with the notion of such advanced scientific and engineering knowledge we find it easier to imagine the end of the world than say fully automated luxery communism. Technology is always something to fear, as apposed to something to liberate us.
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    I think it is fantastic! These are my ancestors!!

    At last I can be an oppressed minority, no more having to check my privilege. My life matters now, like all black lives.

    Fcuck you whitey, I am of colour now you racist. This is marvellous news.
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    (Original post by Puddles the Monkey)
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons- dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals"]The finding shows that genes for lighter skin may actually have become widespread much later than originally thought[/url]. Cheddar Man has blue eyes, dark skin and dark curly hair. This is quite different to what people were expecting.

    The BBC says:

    "Pale skin probably arrived in Britain with a migration of people from the Middle East around 6,000 years ago. This population had pale skin and brown eyes and absorbed populations like the ones Cheddar Man belonged to."

    It's so amazing that they can reconstruct what people looked like.
    Belongs with man-made global warming, 9/11, manned moon landings and the London and Paris terrorist attacks.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    I think it is fantastic! These are my ancestors!!

    At last I can be an oppressed minority, no more having to check my privilege. My life matters now, like all black lives.

    Fcuck you whitey, I am of colour now you racist. This is marvellous news.
    It would be if it were true.
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    This is a surprise.

    I always thought that Cheddar Man was yellow with an ethnic minority who were red unlike Stilton Man who was white with a substantial majority having congenital varicose veins.
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    'Science'
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    We wuz ancient Britons n' sheeit.

    Didn't we always know the earliest people in Europe were darker?
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    Let's consider ourselves lucky he didn't turn out to be deluded about his gender.
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    To quote the Duke of Wellington, if you believe that you will believe anything.

    How do Eastern Europeans come to be White?
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    Its not really anything new though is it? We always knew that the first people were much darker.They must have been because we all originate from Africa.Its just a debate on when light skin developed.
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    To quote the Duke of Wellington, if you believe that you will believe anything.

    How do Eastern Europeans come to be White?
    Read the thread. The answer is farming.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    Now that is interesting. I thought pale skin was resultant from being exposed to less heat/light over however-many generations, like an inherited tan or something. Does this mean that a change in diet promted lessened sensitivity to UV? Weird but wouldn't surprise me.

    I have to say I'm partly interested in this because a book I wrote about three years ago had characters from Europe ~20kya in it, and I wrote them as having dark skin and hair, and being rather broad-shouldered and broad-faced. Now I feel like I unintantionally wrote it more accurately than intended.
    There’s a 1/4 chance they are wrong and would 10,000 years not be enough time for regional adaption of white skin?
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    (Original post by PQ)
    Read the thread. The answer is farming.
    The mythological middle-eastern farmers went to Eastern Europe as well?
 
 
 
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