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    Plz discuss. I think it isn't. You aren't inherently born with a right to go and get an MRI scan.
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    (Original post by TCFactor)
    Plz discuss. I think it isn't. You aren't inherently born with a right to go and get an MRI scan.
    Why do you think it's not?
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    Your right humans aren't born with any rights to anything like all animals the struggle to survive is the only concept we're born with.

    But our ability to help each other and get what we lack is part of what sets us out from animal's survival of the fittest is outdated and wrong everyone deserves to be cared for no matter if they can afford it
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    Right so when you, or a family member has just been in a serious car accident, and need emergency care, you don’t think you should have a right? You think that you should have to pay, and if you can’t afford it you should just die?
    Yes you aren’t born with the right to healthcare, but all those doctors, and all those who are training as doctors, WORK to make it a right for you. So instead of being an ungrateful ****, sit back and thank your lucky stars that people are spending £100,000+ on training, solely to qualify to HELP PEOPLE LIKE YOU for the rest of their life.
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    Life is a right. So is being able to continue living, which is what healthcare is for.
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    In a civilised society, healthcare certainly should be a right. You can't say that one person isn't entitled to it, based on where they come from, how much they earn, or even how much you think they deserve it, when another person is. How would that even be decided fairly?

    What happens in the US, where hardworking, law-abiding, people cannot afford healthcare is awful. Case in point: http://people.com/human-interest/lot...afford-doctor/
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    No such thing as rights, only government prudence.
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    (Original post by Monkey Monkeyson)
    In a civilised society, healthcare certainly should be a right. You can't say that one person isn't entitled to it, based on where they come from, how much they earn, or even how much you think they deserve it, when another person is. How would that even be decided fairly?
    What happens in the US, where hardworking, law-abiding, people cannot afford healthcare is awful. Case in point: http://people.com/human-interest/lot...afford-doctor/
    Plz don't look at the US, it is a disaster. When it comes to health, it is a horrible mix of government intervention and private healthcare.
    What about Switzerland?
    Private healthcare, compulsory, albeit private. Far better than NHS.
    Netherlands?
    Private, and so much better than UK.
    I'm assuming you are talking about the NHS, when it comes to healthcare. Universal? Maybe.
    But, other people are paying for you to get better, when you may not need it.
    Healthcare isn't a right. It is a commodity.
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    (Original post by TCFactor)
    Netherlands?
    Private, and so much better than UK.
    I live in the Netherlands, healthcare here private but it is a legal requirement so nobody goes without cover because it's cheaper to just pay for it than pay the fine for not having any. We have a quarter of your population so paying for it gives us great care, that doesn't mean that it being free in the UK is the problem. Mismanagement is
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    (Original post by TCFactor)
    Plz don't look at the US, it is a disaster. When it comes to health, it is a horrible mix of government intervention and private healthcare.
    What about Switzerland?
    Private healthcare, compulsory, albeit private. Far better than NHS.
    Netherlands?
    Private, and so much better than UK.
    I'm assuming you are talking about the NHS, when it comes to healthcare. Universal? Maybe.
    But, other people are paying for you to get better, when you may not need it.
    Healthcare isn't a right. It is a commodity.
    We can make healthcare a right if we want to. It's totally up to us.
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    Thankfully in this country, it is a right by proxy. All UK citizens are entitled to free healthcare at the point of service. And if that means you need an MRI scan, and MRI scan is what you have. I believe it is called living in a civilised society.
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    (Original post by TCFactor)
    Plz discuss. I think it isn't. You aren't inherently born with a right to go and get an MRI scan.
    No but neither are you born with the contractual obligation to pay all your life into the State pot via Income Tax which in part funds the health services.

    Given that we have no choice but to have this tax taken out of our earnings, do you not therefore think that we have a right for health treatment be that an MRI scan or otherwise?

    If you pay for a product/service you inherently have a right to that product/service.
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    (Original post by TCFactor)
    Plz discuss. I think it isn't. You aren't inherently born with a right to go and get an MRI scan.
    We are born with a right to life. Healthcare gives people that right. Besides that, it’s best for the economy and everything else for that matter to have a country of people who have access to whatever care they made need so that we can be as healthy as possible. Turning people away to die on the streets, give birth in unsafe and unsanitary conditions etc. is not only inhuman and quite frankly disgusting, but cannot be seen as beneficial to anyone.
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    Whilst healthcare is most certainly an important basic need, it is not a right. There is a reason that the right to healthcare is not included in the ECHR and this is because if such rights were protected by the courts then they would end up being involved in deciding complex questions involving public spending, which is a political and not a legal issue.
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    Its a right in a civilised society and the NHS value of getting treatment based on your clinical need should be kept. You shouldn’t be born into good health because of your wealth.
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    I think that every citizen of a country should have access to emergency services and other essentials without being too pressed to pay for it. As for other components of healthcare I think it’s fair to say that everyone should at least be insured by paying for it ( something everyone would be able to manage with lower taxes) though the option for better and more extensive healthcare should be available for a higher price.
    I can’t say whether healthcare as a whole is a right, but I think everyone should have to right of access of emergency care should it fall upon it
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    (Original post by HateOCR)
    Its a right in a civilised society and the NHS value of getting treatment based on your clinical need should be kept. You shouldn’t be born into good health because of your wealth.
    I am not saying that, nor is CountBrandenburg.
    Let's put it in other terms. An MRI machine is part of healthcare. It costs money. It is not a right, it is a commodity.
    How about apples. An apple is a commodity, it costs money, is bought and sold etc.

    I'm not born with a right to use an MRI machine, just like I am not born with the right to buy an apple.

    (Original post by CountBrandenburg)
    I think that every citizen of a country should have access to emergency services and other essentials without being too pressed to pay for it. As for other components of healthcare I think it’s fair to say that everyone should at least be insured by paying for it ( something everyone would be able to manage with lower taxes) though the option for better and more extensive healthcare should be available for a higher price.
    I can’t say whether healthcare as a whole is a right, but I think everyone should have to right of access of emergency care should it fall upon it
    Pretty much this, except the fact that anything that costs money and is bought and sold is a commodity, so healthcare isn't a right, it is a commodity, as said before.
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    (Original post by TCFactor)
    Pretty much this, except the fact that anything that costs money and is bought and sold is a commodity, so healthcare isn't a right, it is a commodity, as said before.
    So what? How do you think people should get access to healthcare? You seem to mention money a lot so i assume you think health should be paid for?
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    (Original post by HateOCR)
    So what? How do you think people should get access to healthcare? You seem to mention money a lot so i assume you think health should be paid for?
    Healthcare already is paid for, through taxation.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    We can make healthcare a right if we want to. It's totally up to us.
    Not really. Healthcare is paid for through taxes. We pay for other people's healthcare. We are forced to actually. Money is taken involuntarily from us, to benefit 'everyone'. That is a definition for both taxation and socialism. Anyway, If you use that sentence, it sounds like it is theft, because taxation is theft. Saying that you WILL do something if YOU want to, that violates someone else's rights isn't right, agreed? You are violating our rights by stealing money, thus, by regression, healthcare isn't a right, rather 'free healthcare' is a violation of our rights, rather than a right in itself.
 
 
 
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