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    Why exactly do socialists strongly support homosexuality and abortion?

    It's technically possible to support socialist economic policies but if you oppose homosexuality and abortion then you can't actually call yourself a socialist.
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    (Original post by Arran90)
    Why exactly do socialists strongly support homosexuality and abortion?

    It's technically possible to support socialist economic policies but if you oppose homosexuality and abortion then you can't actually call yourself a socialist.
    Most people in the uk are socialists they just don’t realise that they are. Both our main parties support socialist policies such as the nhs for example.

    It’s not linked to any particular belief outside of the economy, that’s just you that thinks that(I think)
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    (Original post by Arran90)
    Why exactly do socialists strongly support homosexuality and abortion?.
    I am struggling to work out what these who issues have to do with socialism.
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    (Original post by Arran90)
    Why exactly do socialists strongly support homosexuality and abortion?

    It's technically possible to support socialist economic policies but if you oppose homosexuality and abortion then you can't actually call yourself a socialist.
    I fail to see how support for either has anything to do with socialism.
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    Do you mean why are socialist parties generally in favour of progressive policies?

    Probably because their academics view traditional ways of being as inherently oppressive.
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    (Original post by Arran90)
    It's technically possible to support socialist economic policies but if you oppose homosexuality and abortion then you can't actually call yourself a socialist.
    You can still be a homphobic socialist.
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    (Original post by Arran90)
    Why exactly do socialists strongly support homosexuality and abortion?

    It's technically possible to support socialist economic policies but if you oppose homosexuality and abortion then you can't actually call yourself a socialist.
    You could by all accounts be a traditionalist Socialist, seeing something like homosexuality and abortion morally wrong that prevents the prosperity of such a socialist society.
    Topics like this are not an exclusively left/right issue, you have traditionalism and liberalism on both sides of the spectrum
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I am struggling to work out what these who issues have to do with socialism.
    they don't , and in fact real socialist regimes such as those in SU or Cuba, were farily anti homosex and abortion
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    same sex marriage could easily be considered 'ludricrously bourgeoisie'
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    (Original post by So-Sarah)
    same sex marriage could easily be considered 'ludricrously bourgeoisie'
    Whatever that mean? Or it could be fine. Just two people committing themselves to each other for the rest of their lives?
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    Just about all outfits which call themself socialist in the UK strongly support and defend homosexuality and abortion.

    IMO socialism lacks a precise definition but I have tried to deconstruct the ideology into its component parts during discussions and debates. One analogy that was used was an English breakfast by identifying what are essential ingredients; optional ingredients; unauthentic ingredients commonly used; unauthentic ingredients that really don't belong.

    Does anybody know of any socialist outfits or prominent socialists who oppose homosexuality and / or abortion?
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    (Original post by paul514)
    Most people in the uk are socialists they just don’t realise that they are. Both our main parties support socialist policies such as the nhs for example.

    It’s not linked to any particular belief outside of the economy, that’s just you that thinks that(I think)
    The NHS really isn't a socialist organisation or idea.

    (Original post by Arran90)
    Just about all outfits which call themself socialist in the UK strongly support and defend homosexuality and abortion.

    IMO socialism lacks a precise definition but I have tried to deconstruct the ideology into its component parts during discussions and debates. One analogy that was used was an English breakfast by identifying what are essential ingredients; optional ingredients; unauthentic ingredients commonly used; unauthentic ingredients that really don't belong.

    Does anybody know of any socialist outfits or prominent socialists who oppose homosexuality and / or abortion?
    Socialism actually has a very clear defintion it' just just people like to deliberately confuse it for their own gain.

    Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are owned by the people.

    The space for interpretation comes in what counts as 'the people'. Is 'the State' interchangeable with 'the People' and which people should have control over which parts of the means of production which pretty much ranges from everyone (most Libertarian forms) to just those working in that industry (Market Socialism etc)
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    Hitler believed in socialist policies....
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    (Original post by Arran90)
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    Does anybody know of any socialist outfits or prominent socialists who oppose homosexuality and / or abortion?
    Fidel Castro/ Stalin
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    So, if socialism is purely economic in it's plain and unadulterated form then why is the support for homosexuality and abortion core non-negotiable issues amongst socialist movements in Britain? Organisations which embrace significant economic socialism but do not call themselves or consider themselves socialist, such as the BNP, do not count.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Do you mean why are socialist parties generally in favour of progressive policies?

    Probably because their academics view traditional ways of being as inherently oppressive.
    I think it's to do with the fact that the term 'socialism' is so ill defined and loosely thrown about that it's hard to actually know what it means anymore.

    People have accused everyone from the Tory party to Stalin of being 'socialist'.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    I think it's to do with the fact that the term 'socialism' is so ill defined and loosely thrown about that it's hard to actually know what it means anymore.

    People have accused everyone from the Tory party to Stalin of being 'socialist'.

    I suppose it’s chiefly concerned with the ‘radical ‘ transformation of society

    See here: (read from ‘But one thing I will say...’)

    https://www.conservativehome.com/pla...-hitchens.html
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    I suppose it’s chiefly concerned with the ‘radical ‘ transformation of society

    See here: (read from ‘But one thing I will say...’)

    https://www.conservativehome.com/pla...-hitchens.html
    To me, Socialism is an economic theory based on class. It is not the same as 'progressivism'.

    The problem is that many people tend to use the word 'socialism' as a catch all word for everything they don't like.

    Though I do like Hitchens.
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    (Original post by DeBruyne18)
    To me, Socialism is an economic theory based on class. It is not the same as 'progressivism'.
    It is, but the two in contemporary times good often hand in hand that I think a prefix is necessary if you are a socialist but not a progressive eg Blue Labour or Christian Socialist.

    The same is true of conservatives.

    The problem is that many people tend to use the word 'socialism' as a catch all word for everything they don't like.
    True. It same as above. Also noteworthy is the ‘evolution’ of terms for instance ‘Liberal’ can have very different meanings
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    It is, but the two in contemporary times good often hand in hand that I think a prefix is necessary if you are a socialist but not a progressive eg Blue Labour or Christian Socialist.

    The same is true of conservatives.



    True. It same as above. Also noteworthy is the ‘evolution’ of terms for instance ‘Liberal’ can have very different meanings
    I would suggest that the New Labour types and indeed the likes of Cathy Newman etc are 'progressive capitalists' rather than socialists.

    They're hardly 'workers of the world unite' types.

    I do think we should keep concepts like Socialism and progressivism separate rather than just mixing them together to the point where the terms have little meaning.
 
 
 
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