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    Swimwear brand Solid and Striped under attack for publishing an ad featuring 12 White models and one Black.

    See 'Solid and Striped's Swimwear Ad goes Viral for Lack of Diversity


    As usual, the word diversity is being used with reference to White people.

    Anyone non-white is 'diverse.'

    Anyone White is 'not diverse.'

    A lack of diversity simply means 'too many White people.'

    Does the Black Police Association 'lack diversity?'

    Does Black History Month 'lack diversity?'

    White groups of people and ONLY White groups of people need more diversity.

    Diversity means chasing down Whites
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    I'm not even going to bother explaining this. Get rid of your victim complex.
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    Don't you mean, 'get rid of Whites'.

    Diversity is White Genocide
    Hilarious! Stop trolling and go do something with your life.
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    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    I'm not even going to bother explaining this. Get rid of your victim complex.
    This is the ridiculous thing that seems to happen. You get people who are constantly talking about how ethnic minorities and women are victimised. As soon as someone else makes a reasonable observation about white people or men being treated unfairly they’re told to get rid of their victim complex.

    In this instance what he’s saying is correct:
    1. An advertising campaign with just white people is slammed for lacking diversity whereas a campaign containing all (insert ethnic minority here) people would be celebrated for diversity.
    2. Whites are the only ethnic group that aren’t allowed to have their own clubs or groups (the same would also apply to men). While I’m sure you’ll have some reason as to why that is (that will no doubt bring up victimhood) if you want equality among gender/race then start holding everyone to the same level. I would also add that, with the exception of a relatively small number, whites seem to be the only race that don’t really want their own university societies etc. It seems like most of the people advocating it are doing so simply in response to the fact that ethnic minorities have that privilege.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    2. Whites are the only ethnic group that aren’t allowed to have their own clubs or groups (the same would also apply to men)
    Why do you think that is? Same reason why in mario kart you don’t get blue shells or lightning bolts when you’re already in first place...
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    (Original post by Anna1029)
    Why do you think that is? Same reason why in mario kart you don’t get blue shells or lightning bolts when you’re already in first place...
    I’ve never really been a fan of mario kart but I think I get the reference. That would imply that the function of women/ethnic minority exclusive groups is to create equality, in not sure how you think that segregating people creates equality
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    Diversity is having a range of different things, in this case people.
    12 people of the same ethnicity (in this case: white) and one token person of a different ethnicity (in this case: black) isn’t a diverse group of people.
    No matter the ethnic make up of the group, if it’s in this format it isn’t diverse.

    Diversity isn’t “chasing down whites” it’s about equal representation for minority groups.

    (Since you’re clearly a troll i’m not expecting any kind of intelligent response, so if you’re just going to quote “diversity is white genocide” don’t bother.)
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    This is the ridiculous thing that seems to happen. You get people who are constantly talking about how ethnic minorities and women are victimised. As soon as someone else makes a reasonable observation about white people or men being treated unfairly they’re told to get rid of their victim complex.

    In this instance what he’s saying is correct:
    1. An advertising campaign with just white people is slammed for lacking diversity whereas a campaign containing all (insert ethnic minority here) people would be celebrated for diversity.
    2. Whites are the only ethnic group that aren’t allowed to have their own clubs or groups (the same would also apply to men). While I’m sure you’ll have some reason as to why that is (that will no doubt bring up victimhood) if you want equality among gender/race then start holding everyone to the same level. I would also add that, with the exception of a relatively small number, whites seem to be the only race that don’t really want their own university societies etc. It seems like most of the people advocating it are doing so simply in response to the fact that ethnic minorities have that privilege.
    In response to your first point, this wouldn’t be celebrated for diversity. It would be celebrated though, which you’re probably annoyed about, but not for diversity, for simply representation of minorities. You forget that 50 or so years ago black people would get poured acid on them for even going into a swimming pool and the pool in some instances would be drained. It would also be unacceptable to see a black model. Even now, many campaigns and brands choose models with Eurocentric features - meaning representation of black people and other ethnic minorities is still not to the standard it should be.

    Your second point? I find it extremely ridiculous how you think having groups like BLM, NAACP etc is a ‘privilege’. These groups came around in the first instance due to inequality between the races and aim to solve this problem. Whites shouldn’t NEED these groups. The groups aren’t in order to segregate whites, they’re to improve equality between races and to address the problem of racism. What would be the point in making an activism group for white people when their rights don’t need to be improved anyway? In this instance I would bring in @Anna1029 ‘s Mario Kart analogy as it fits perfectly. The only reason someone would make one of these groups is if they felt wronged by ethnic minorities becoming their equals, which is blatant racism. “Start holding everyone to the same level”? That’s the whole POINT of these groups... the reason why black people and other minorities even feel the need to make them is that it’s the whites who aren’t holding everyone to the same level, and it has been for several centuries.
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    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    In response to your first point, this wouldn’t be celebrated for diversity. It would be celebrated though, which you’re probably annoyed about, but not for diversity, for simply representation of minorities.
    Why would you assume I would be annoyed?

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    You forget that 50 or so years ago black people would get poured acid on them for even going into a swimming pool and the pool in some instances would be drained.
    What a shock, you've brought up an incident from over half a century ago in a foreign country to argue that racism is still prevalent today. What happened fifty years ago in the US is not relevant to black people being used in adverts in the UK today.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    It would also be unacceptable to see a black model. Even now, many campaigns and brands choose models with Eurocentric features -
    I'm not sure if you've noticed but that's because we live in Europe. If you go to Africa you'll see different people in advertisements, if you go to South East Asia you'll see yet more different people.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    meaning representation of black people and other ethnic minorities is still not to the standard it should be.
    By what metric? To use an example, black people should make up around 3% of the people you see in a given class, that would be proportionate representation

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Your second point? I find it extremely ridiculous how you think having groups like BLM, NAACP etc is a ‘privilege’. These groups came around in the first instance due to inequality between the races and aim to solve this problem. Whites shouldn’t NEED these groups. The groups aren’t in order to segregate whites, they’re to improve equality between races and to address the problem of racism. What would be the point in making an activism group for white people when their rights don’t need to be improved anyway?
    1. BLM...lol
    2. You mentioned those groups, not me. I was referring to groups such as BMEC societies at universities.
    3. If white people can't join the NAACP or BLM then it shows the idiocy of those running the groups.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    In this instance I would bring in @Anna1029 ‘s Mario Kart analogy as it fits perfectly. The only reason someone would make one of these groups is if they felt wronged by ethnic minorities becoming their equals, which is blatant racism. “Start holding everyone to the same level”? That’s the whole POINT of these groups... the reason why black people and other minorities even feel the need to make them is that it’s the whites who aren’t holding everyone to the same level, and it has been for several centuries.
    See because you've decided to add your own spin to what I said you've veered off on a tangent. If there can be a BMEC society why can't there be a white society? That would be treating people equally.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Why would you assume I would be annoyed?



    What a shock, you've brought up an incident from over half a century ago in a foreign country to argue that racism is still prevalent today. What happened fifty years ago in the US is not relevant to black people being used in adverts in the UK today.



    I'm not sure if you've noticed but that's because we live in Europe. If you go to Africa you'll see different people in advertisements, if you go to South East Asia you'll see yet more different people.



    By what metric? To use an example, black people should make up around 3% of the people you see in a given class, that would be proportionate representation



    1. BLM...lol
    2. You mentioned those groups, not me. I was referring to groups such as BMEC societies at universities.
    3. If white people can't join the NAACP or BLM then it shows the idiocy of those running the groups.



    See because you've decided to add your own spin to what I said you've veered off on a tangent. If there can be a BMEC society why can't there be a white society? That would be treating people equally.
    I assumed you were annoyed as you seemed to think what I said was wrong. Maybe it wasn't the most appropriate choice of words but if you were totally fine about it why would you be arguing with me right now?

    Those examples still apply in exactly the same way. Racism is still prevalent in the UK, just talk to a random old person on the street and it's about 50% likely that they're basically racist. Just look up any instances of racism in the UK. After about 5 seconds and on the first website I found this statistic: 'recent reports document that since last year's vote to leave the European Union, racial and religious hate crimes have risen by 23%' An example of police brutality centred around race similar to the instances seen in the US is the case of Mark Duggan. There are also so many instances in the USA but I'm guessing you'll say that's irrelevant.

    Due to this representation problem you'll actually see that the Eurocentric style beauty and features are chosen over features pertaining to Asians and black people. Loads of Asians opt for double eyelid surgery and likewise loads of South East and Central Asians believe white skin is prettier and use whitening cream due to the fact that they have seen white people and paler Asians all over the media. What you call 'proportional representation' is nonsense. The problem is that even that would be considered better than what is prevalent in modelling right now - it's far from proportional. Plus, there are 14% racial minority in the UK right now. The point is that it shouldn't be proportional representation, it should be equal representation. The reason why there are less black models isn't because there are less black people, it's because companies favour Eurocentric features. I myself am white, and growing up, I never had a problem with seeing myself in the media - basically all models and all main characters in films and TV shows were white. I personally know that many people who are from a racial minority had problems when they were younger as they felt that since there were so many white models etc, this makes you feel like your features aren't pretty. Just look at the testimonies of young black children after the recent release of Black Panther; personally I found it shocking to see how being hardly represented in the media affects your self esteem and your character.

    Re your statement about the BMEC, have a look at this. Copied straight from BMEC website: 'The Black and Minority Ethnic Campaign (BMEC) exists to voice the concerns, address the issues, cater to the needs of, and improve the educational and social environment for Ethnic Minority Students [in Cambridge] at both undergraduate and graduate level.'
    Why would you want to do any of this for white people when they're already the majority - as far as I'm concerned there aren't many (or any) problems of this sort for whites. It's not a selective group or something in which only ethnic minorities can socialise, and I don't see a reason why you should feel left out from this other than the fact that you disagree/are against what they do and equality between races in general. In the same way I don't understand why this is a privilege, it applies in exactly the same way as BLM/NAACP. Why would BMEC be needed anyway if there wasn't inequality in the first place? Why do you need to improve the rights of whites if they're on top anyway?Why would you want to join BLM/NAACP anyway? I believe that NAACP accepts white membership anyway, but I don't see why white people should want to join anyway, as it should be black people who make these decisions and advancements themselves. Plus whites can support these movements in other ways. I don't get why you're annoyed about whites not being allowed to join when you don't seem to want to join anyway.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    2. Whites are the only ethnic group that aren’t allowed to have their own clubs or groups (the same would also apply to men). While I’m sure you’ll have some reason as to why that is (that will no doubt bring up victimhood) if you want equality among gender/race then start holding everyone to the same level. I would also add that, with the exception of a relatively small number, whites seem to be the only race that don’t really want their own university societies etc. It seems like most of the people advocating it are doing so simply in response to the fact that ethnic minorities have that privilege.
    In Wales, there are entire government departments and vast resources dedicated solely to Welsh language matters, but no equivalent ones for English. Do you think that indicates that Welsh-speakers have a massive advantage over English-speakers?

    Of course not. It indicates quite the opposite - that English-speakers have such a huge inbuilt advantage that Welsh-speakers need a significant leg up to even remotely compete on the same terms.

    Similarly, there are designated gay bars and clubs, but no equivalent straight ones, because the latter are unnecessary. Straight people looking to meet and get off with someone can go to any non-specific venue and assume that the vast majority of the people there will also be straight. If you're gay, you can't make an equivalent assumption unless you know the venue caters to a primarily gay crowd. That specifically gay venues exist is indicative of the advantages of straight people, not gay people.
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    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    I assumed you were annoyed as you seemed to think what I said was wrong. Maybe it wasn't the most appropriate choice of words but if you were totally fine about it why would you be arguing with me right now?
    I'd have no reason to be annoyed about an advert featuring all black people, I wouldn't care just like I wouldn't care if I saw an advert with all white people or all Asian people; I don't really tend to look at people and start thinking about their race.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Those examples still apply in exactly the same way. Racism is still prevalent in the UK, just talk to a random old person on the street and it's about 50% likely that they're basically racist.
    Do you not see how crazy this sounds? 1. race relations in the UK were never as bad as they were in the US and 2. things are far better now than they've ever been by virtually every statistic you can find. As for the old people comment, this is just baseless and ignorant. You seem to think it's okay to stereotype old people but if someone said "just talk to a random muslim on the street and it's about 50% likely that they're basically an ISIS supporter" you'd find it outrageous.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Just look up any instances of racism in the UK. After about 5 seconds and on the first website I found this statistic: 'recent reports document that since last year's vote to leave the European Union, racial and religious hate crimes have risen by 23%'
    And as a society we find those crimes so offensive that we made a special new type of crime with longer sentences in an effort to deter them. Of course there are racist people but they are the minority.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    An example of police brutality centred around race similar to the instances seen in the US is the case of Mark Duggan. There are also so many instances in the USA but I'm guessing you'll say that's irrelevant.
    Based on who's version of events? The killing of Mark Duggan was deemed lawful. Also you're jumping to a completely illogical conclusion: Mark Duggan was black and killed by the police therefore it must have been because he was black.

    1. I've already said the US is very different
    2. A lot of the stories from the US are very misreported and it's only ever the shooting of black men that makes the news, no one pays attention to the other people shot by police officers under questionable circumstances.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Due to this representation problem you'll actually see that the Eurocentric style beauty and features are chosen over features pertaining to Asians and black people.
    In Europe, yes. In other parts of the world you'd see a difference.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Loads of Asians opt for double eyelid surgery and likewise loads of South East and Central Asians believe white skin is prettier and use whitening cream due to the fact that they have seen white people and paler Asians all over the media.
    I've never seen a news story about Asian's getting double eyelid surgery and when I just googled 'double eyelid surgery asian' the only results were links to cosmetic surgeries websites. Again, you're coming up with baseless claims.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    What you call 'proportional representation' is nonsense. The problem is that even that would be considered better than what is prevalent in modelling right now - it's far from proportional.
    Statistics?

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Plus, there are 14% racial minority in the UK right now. The point is that it shouldn't be proportional representation, it should be equal representation.
    Actually the UK is still 87.1% white so that's not true. So what you're advocating is despite non-white people making up less than 13% of the population they should make up 50% of people in adverts or on TV shows?

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    The reason why there are less black models isn't because there are less black people, it's because companies favour Eurocentric features. I myself am white, and growing up, I never had a problem with seeing myself in the media - basically all models and all main characters in films and TV shows were white. I personally know that many people who are from a racial minority had problems when they were younger as they felt that since there were so many white models etc, this makes you feel like your features aren't pretty. Just look at the testimonies of young black children after the recent release of Black Panther; personally I found it shocking to see how being hardly represented in the media affects your self esteem and your character.
    Because they are selling to Europeans. Obviously Europeans find Eurocentric features to be attractive and the idea of models is that they're attractive. You've just defeated your own point; you're looking for people to be able to see reflections of themselves in the media so for those producing that media using white people is best because most of their audience is white and therefore will see a reflection of themselves.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    Re your statement about the BMEC, have a look at this. Copied straight from BMEC website: 'The Black and Minority Ethnic Campaign (BMEC) exists to voice the concerns, address the issues, cater to the needs of, and improve the educational and social environment for Ethnic Minority Students [in Cambridge] at both undergraduate and graduate level.'
    Why would you want to do any of this for white people when they're already the majority - as far as I'm concerned there aren't many (or any) problems of this sort for whites.
    The idea of where inequality exists is rather subjective, if a particular group of white people felt they were the victims of inequality why should they be prevented from forming a group with similar aims? As far as I'm concerned ethnic minorities in this country don't really have any problems either except for some on an individual basis. Unlike with women or ethnic minorities you won't be able to name a single UK law that benefits white men exclusively.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    It's not a selective group or something in which only ethnic minorities can socialise, and I don't see a reason why you should feel left out from this other than the fact that you disagree/are against what they do and equality between races in general.
    I disagree with some of what these groups do, doesn't mean I disagree with racial equality but I suppose while we're here I may as well say it; I do disagree with the idea of equality, I'm in favour of equity.

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    In the same way I don't understand why this is a privilege, it applies in exactly the same way as BLM/NAACP. Why would BMEC be needed anyway if there wasn't inequality in the first place? Why do you need to improve the rights of whites if they're on top anyway?Why would you want to join BLM/NAACP anyway?
    Well as white person that thinks ethnic minorities are so hard done by would you not want to join?

    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    I believe that NAACP accepts white membership anyway, but I don't see why white people should want to join anyway, as it should be black people who make these decisions and advancements themselves. Plus whites can support these movements in other ways. I don't get why you're annoyed about whites not being allowed to join when you don't seem to want to join anyway.
    I'm not annoyed, I'm not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion. Like I said previously, I didn't mention those groups.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    In Wales, there are entire government departments and vast resources dedicated solely to Welsh language matters, but no equivalent ones for English. Do you think that indicates that Welsh-speakers have a massive advantage over English-speakers?

    Of course not. It indicates quite the opposite - that English-speakers have such a huge inbuilt advantage that Welsh-speakers need a significant leg up to even remotely compete on the same terms.
    I didn't say that having your own group indicates you're advantaged and again you're talking about something very different. Wales is set up for those who speak English in the same way that England itself is; most schools teach mostly in English, most business is done in English, etc. so there is a function of having the government cater to those who don't speak English because they don't have the option of simply integrating themselves within the general society, the same can't be said of ethnic minorities in higher education.

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    Similarly, there are designated gay bars and clubs, but no equivalent straight ones, because the latter are unnecessary. Straight people looking to meet and get off with someone can go to any non-specific venue and assume that the vast majority of the people there will also be straight. If you're gay, you can't make an equivalent assumption unless you know the venue caters to a primarily gay crowd. That specifically gay venues exist is indicative of the advantages of straight people, not gay people.
    1. As you set out, in the example of gay bars there is a particular function and purpose, ie. you know that most people there will be gay.
    2. Gay bars don't check your gay card on the way in, certain BMEC societies do check your ethnicity on the way in to their event (looking at you Goldsmiths)
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    Swimwear brand Solid and Striped under attack for publishing an ad featuring 12 White models and one Black.

    See 'Solid and Striped's Swimwear Ad goes Viral for Lack of Diversity


    As usual, the word diversity is being used with reference to White people.

    Anyone non-white is 'diverse.'

    Anyone White is 'not diverse.'

    A lack of diversity simply means 'too many White people.'

    Does the Black Police Association 'lack diversity?'

    Does Black History Month 'lack diversity?'

    White groups of people and ONLY White groups of people need more diversity.

    Diversity means chasing down Whites
    But quoting what you said just in case you change your mind later.

    Man. Diversity doesn't mean too many whites bro, it means not enough coloured people lol. Even I know this. And they call me a neo Nazi Ha. Night.
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    Where they went seriously wrong was on picking 13 models, that's where it all started.
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    I thought it was also because they all look like Holodomor victims.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    But quoting what you said just in case you change your mind later.

    Man. Diversity doesn't mean too many whites bro, it means not enough coloured people lol. Even I know this. And they call me a neo Nazi Ha. Night.
    There will only be enough coloured people when there are no Whites.
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    Its not like Britain is, by a large majority, a white nation is it?:L
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Whites are the only ethnic group that aren’t allowed to have their own clubs or groups
    This is not true at all. Britain is exceedingly white. The last time I went climbing, it was all white. The last time I went into a sports club, it was all white. The last time I went into a fancy restaurant it was all white.

    No one is saying that you can't have all-white groups. You have them without even thinking. All they are saying is that we live in a diverse society and if you want to get non-white people to buy your products, you need to reflect those people in your marketing. It really is that simple.
 
 
 
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