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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    This is not true at all. Britain is exceedingly white. The last time I went climbing, it was all white. The last time I went into a sports club, it was all white. The last time I went into a fancy restaurant it was all white.

    No one is saying that you can't have all-white groups. You have them without even thinking. All they are saying is that we live in a diverse society and if you want to get non-white people to buy your products, you need to reflect those people in your marketing. It really is that simple.
    Your logic is flawed. Non-white people in the UK and the US make up a minority according to the 2011 census 11% of the British population were non-white that is 1 in 10 very similar to the ad where it was 1 in 13.

    If there were not a single non-white person then you would have a point but the ads representation closely resembles the regional demographic of the UK and the US. So criticising it for a lack of diversity is very foolish.
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    here is the advertisement:

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1518108429.jpg
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    (Original post by mundosinfin)
    I assumed you were annoyed as you seemed to think what I said was wrong. Maybe it wasn't the most appropriate choice of words but if you were totally fine about it why would you be arguing with me right now?

    Those examples still apply in exactly the same way. Racism is still prevalent in the UK, just talk to a random old person on the street and it's about 50% likely that they're basically racist. Just look up any instances of racism in the UK. After about 5 seconds and on the first website I found this statistic: 'recent reports document that since last year's vote to leave the European Union, racial and religious hate crimes have risen by 23%' An example of police brutality centred around race similar to the instances seen in the US is the case of Mark Duggan. There are also so many instances in the USA but I'm guessing you'll say that's irrelevant.

    Due to this representation problem you'll actually see that the Eurocentric style beauty and features are chosen over features pertaining to Asians and black people. Loads of Asians opt for double eyelid surgery and likewise loads of South East and Central Asians believe white skin is prettier and use whitening cream due to the fact that they have seen white people and paler Asians all over the media. What you call 'proportional representation' is nonsense. The problem is that even that would be considered better than what is prevalent in modelling right now - it's far from proportional. Plus, there are 14% racial minority in the UK right now. The point is that it shouldn't be proportional representation, it should be equal representation. The reason why there are less black models isn't because there are less black people, it's because companies favour Eurocentric features. I myself am white, and growing up, I never had a problem with seeing myself in the media - basically all models and all main characters in films and TV shows were white. I personally know that many people who are from a racial minority had problems when they were younger as they felt that since there were so many white models etc, this makes you feel like your features aren't pretty. Just look at the testimonies of young black children after the recent release of Black Panther; personally I found it shocking to see how being hardly represented in the media affects your self esteem and your character.

    Re your statement about the BMEC, have a look at this. Copied straight from BMEC website: 'The Black and Minority Ethnic Campaign (BMEC) exists to voice the concerns, address the issues, cater to the needs of, and improve the educational and social environment for Ethnic Minority Students [in Cambridge] at both undergraduate and graduate level.'
    Why would you want to do any of this for white people when they're already the majority - as far as I'm concerned there aren't many (or any) problems of this sort for whites. It's not a selective group or something in which only ethnic minorities can socialise, and I don't see a reason why you should feel left out from this other than the fact that you disagree/are against what they do and equality between races in general. In the same way I don't understand why this is a privilege, it applies in exactly the same way as BLM/NAACP. Why would BMEC be needed anyway if there wasn't inequality in the first place? Why do you need to improve the rights of whites if they're on top anyway?Why would you want to join BLM/NAACP anyway? I believe that NAACP accepts white membership anyway, but I don't see why white people should want to join anyway, as it should be black people who make these decisions and advancements themselves. Plus whites can support these movements in other ways. I don't get why you're annoyed about whites not being allowed to join when you don't seem to want to join anyway.
    You can't argue with stupidity and ignorance. OP is another white person who JUST DOESN'T GET IT. There's no reasoning with them, or anyone with such flawed logic and lack of understanding.
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    (Original post by The PoliticalGuy)
    Your logic is flawed. Non-white people in the UK and the US make up a minority according to the 2011 census 11% of the British population were non-white that is 1 in 10 very similar to the ad where it was 1 in 13.

    If there were not a single non-white person then you would have a point but the ads representation closely resembles the regional demographic of the UK and the US. So criticising it for a lack of diversity is very foolish.
    This isn't about statistic or quotas. Is it simply about representing as much of your target market as possible. If you had five people from different ethnic backgrounds, that would be a more potent advert for "all" of your market than if you were to split it to 1 in 13.

    The BBC has made huge in-roads in making its public face of presenters and announcers more diverse. I don't notice it. But those from minorities will appreciate it. It isn't a bad thing. And that is the point.

    I think the irony is that white people whining about this are merely reflecting what minorities have always had to tolerate. Diversity isn't a bad thing it is a good thing. Who likes the same things all the time? I don't.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    This isn't about statistic or quotas. Is it simply about representing as much of your target market as possible. If you had five people from different ethnic backgrounds, that would be a more potent advert for "all" of your market than if you were to split it to 1 in 13.

    The BBC has made huge in-roads in making its public face of presenters and announcers more diverse. I don't notice it. But those from minorities will appreciate it. It isn't a bad thing. And that is the point.

    I think the irony is that white people whining about this are merely reflecting what minorities have always had to tolerate. Diversity isn't a bad thing it is a good thing. Who likes the same things all the time? I don't.

    Everything you say always leads to the same thing: a world with fewer and fewer White people and eventually no White people. You are justifying White Genocide.
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    Everything you say always leads to the same thing: a world with fewer and fewer White people and eventually no White people. You are justifying Wh2ite Genocide.
    Not at all. Unlike you, I am not scared of people who have different coloured skin to me. So what if there are fewer white people. So what?
    How pathetic that you can't see past the end of you're nose.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Not at all. Unlike you, I am not scared of people who have different coloured skin to me. So what if there are fewer white people. So what?
    How pathetic that you can't see past the end of you're nose.
    So what? You are justifying White Genocide.
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    (Original post by cat_mac)
    Diversity is having a range of different things, in this case people.
    12 people of the same ethnicity (in this case: white) and one token person of a different ethnicity (in this case: black) isn’t a diverse group of people.
    No matter the ethnic make up of the group, if it’s in this format it isn’t diverse.

    Diversity isn’t “chasing down whites” it’s about equal representation for minority groups.

    (Since you’re clearly a troll i’m not expecting any kind of intelligent response, so if you’re just going to quote “diversity is white genocide” don’t bother.)
    '12 people of the same ethnicity (in this case: white) and one token person of a different ethnicity (in this case: black) isn’t a diverse group of people. '

    I beg to differ, if you got to know them you probably find they are very different (in others words diverse) individuals.

    'No matter the ethnic make up of the group, if it’s in this format it isn’t diverse.'

    But I don't get it why should the skin colour of the people in the advert matter? Why is it so important?
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    No shorter women, no one with ginger hair. no Asian women, and all under 30 in the advert. Not the only area where the advert is unrepresentative.
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    So what? You are justifying White Genocide.
    Could you please tell me how using non-white actors in a swimwear advert is the same as rounding up white people and killing them?

    I feel I need enlightening.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Could you please tell me how using non-white actors in a swimwear advert is the same as rounding up white people and killing them?

    I feel I need enlightening.
    Mass immigration coupled with forced assimilation is genocide by international law.

    Article II (c) of the Genocide Convention reads:

    In the present convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such:

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to brin g about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
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    (Original post by Kaffee_1998)
    '12 people of the same ethnicity (in this case: white) and one token person of a different ethnicity (in this case: black) isn’t a diverse group of people. '

    I beg to differ, if you got to know them you probably find they are very different (in others words diverse) individuals.

    'No matter the ethnic make up of the group, if it’s in this format it isn’t diverse.'

    But I don't get it why should the skin colour of the people in the advert matter? Why is it so important?
    This post was about racial diversity, I wasn’t claiming all people of a certain race were one thing or all the same. I was simply combating OP’s point that anyone non-white is diverse and anyone white is not diverse.

    They also said “a lack of diversity simply means too many white people” which isn’t true, diversity in a racial context is a lack of other ethnicities in a group. If you had a group of all black people, it wouldn’t be racially diverse because everyone in the group is the same race.

    There are good arguments on both sides of the issue, but if we start the conversation already not understanding terminology or context then it’s going nowhere. Personally it doesn’t bother me either way, if the advert was all white or all black or a mix.
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    Mass immigration coupled with forced assimilation is genocide by international law.

    Article II (c) of the Genocide Convention reads:

    In the present convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group as such:

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to brin g about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
    Yep. I understand what genocide is. Thank you. So how is using a non-white actor in a swimwear advert white genocide? That is the bit I don't quite get. I am not fearing my life right now. Are you saying that if I were to watch this advert I might spontaneously die by some unknown force?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Yep. I understand what genocide is. Thank you. So how is using a non-white actor in a swimwear advert white genocide? That is the bit I don't quite get. I am not fearing my life right now. Are you saying that if I were to watch this advert I might spontaneously die by some unknown force?
    Criticising an ad on the grounds that there are too many White people in it is anti-white.
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    Criticising an ad on the grounds that there are too many White people in it is anti-white.
    Why are you scared of people who look different to you?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Why are you scared of people who look different to you?
    You are an anti-white who supports White Genocide.
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    (Original post by Anna1029)
    Why do you think that is? Same reason why in mario kart you don’t get blue shells or lightning bolts when you’re already in first place...
    And? I guess you would be one of those who describes themselves as a "liberal" or "social justice warrior" in which case how is discrimination justified by historic discrimination? Why are things automatically "good" just because of "oppressed" groups being involved and automatically "bad" because of a lack of those groups, even if it makes no sense to put women or non whites in? I do love the double standards of the "progressive" left.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    Its not like Britain is, by a large majority, a white nation is it?:L
    Only 3% black, if we want it to be representative we should have 11 whites, 1 asian, half a black, and half assorted other minorities.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Only 3% black, if we want it to be representative we should have 11 whites, 1 asian, half a black, and half assorted other minorities.
    I feel to be politically correct and avoid cracking out an axe it would be prudent to use a vertically challenged person - it would fill two demographics then as well :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by jamstopper)
    You are an anti-white who supports White Genocide.
    No I'm not. Not even slightly. And I don't really know why you keep using the word genocide. I don't support any form of genocide.

    But you still haven't answered my very simple question. Why are you scared of people who look different to you?
 
 
 
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