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    (Original post by AngeryPenguin)
    You've repeatedly criticised Corbyn for being too left-wing because you were concerned about Labour's appeal to the masses
    Nope. Never said that. If you're going to come at me, at least try to attack me with accurate criticisms.

    I said he was unelectable because of his love of terrorists, his complete lack of ministerial experience, his tendency to cosy up to unsavoury regimes, and all the other failings which are well known,

    I was more concerned with your love of capitalism and the bankers in The City.
    Where did I say I love bankers and the city?

    It sounds like you've got nothing.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    A Remainer breathing the word Anglosphere? Shocking



    I didn't praise the City, I pointed out facts. Do you deny them?

    Also, my socialism doesn't interfere with my clear-eyed understanding that hosting the world's premier centre of finance is very much in our national interest.



    Shared values like democracy and the rule of law, which do not require us to be members of the EU.



    That's what most Brexiters, excepting a few nutcases like Jacob Rees-Mogg, want. It's Brussels that is throwing obstacles in front of agreeing a deep and special relationship that allows us to continue to trade, travel, study and live in one another's countries.



    When you say "love Europe", you mean "love the EU". The two are not synonymous. Otherwise you can say there are many Brexiters who love Europe as much, or more, than Remainers.

    I'd wager my experience travelling across Europe, my knowledge of its history and culture, would put most Remainers to shame. The difference is that my attachment to Europe is not mediated by a supranational political organisation.

    If the EU is the only avenue for your sentiment for Europe, that's a very sad state of affairs.
    1) I didn't say that it was ironic- you are quoting someone else.
    2) If we wanted a deep and special relationship with European countries, surely the closest possible relationship we could have would be to remain in the European Union? That is as close as it gets. Free movement, free trade, having MEPs that represent our interests in the European Parliament etc.
    3) You're quite right- I do like the EU (love would be too strong a word- the EU is not without its problems). I think it has been a force for good in strengthening relations between its member states and we are better off financially and politically because of our membership of the union. I don't think that any relationship we could have with our European partners, especially France and Germany, will be as strong as it is now (well, before the vote anyway)
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    Nope. Never said that. If you're going to come at me, at least try to attack me with accurate criticisms.
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    Good video. Then again, we warned Owen Jones; we told him if Corbyn was elected, Labour would tank. And we (the moderates) were right
    I said he was unelectable because of his love of terrorists, his complete lack of ministerial experience, his tendency to cosy up to unsavoury regimes, and all the other failings which are well known,
    Unsavoury regimes? You're going to have a hell of a time finding an example of a socialist revolution in which a few bourgeoisie happily and peacefully seceded power.

    Or any politician, really. The Saudis have been a favourite of liberal Western leaders for decades.

    And a hell of a time finding a socialist who does not sympathise with an oppressed people - and oppressed people tend to gravitate towards violence and guerrilla warfare. Kurds, IRA, Catalonia. That is different to condoning terrorism.

    Where did I say I love bankers and the city?
    Why would you boast about Britain having the biggest financial cancer in the world otherwise?
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    (Original post by uberteknik)
    Put it this way, can you predict what the future will be like 40 years from now?

    People who can predict their home will be struck by lightning on 12th August 2038, obviously do not need to bother with buildings, contents or life insurance until the day before the event.
    Hahahah bloody hell, thank you, at least I know some people understand.
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    (Original post by The PoliticalGuy)
    What an absolute waste of money!

    That same money used to build that ship and the royal marines could have been used to build new hospitals and funding the NHS. Why do we need to expand our army and expand our nuclear arsenal at the same time we don't need a detternet when we have NATO.
    because the NHS will not save us from attackers

    and adults make a contribution (ie. to Nato)
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    Not a spectacular waste of money at all :rolleyes:
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    A spectacular waste of money:

    Free money public seeking a fast buck through litigation, fuelled by ambulance chasing lawyers paid 10x more than the damages they recover for the claimant. Medical negligence cases currently in progress exceed £56 billion. That sum would buy another 8 QE class aircraft carriers + all the aircraft to go on them to full capacity + the necessary carrier group support ships.
 
 
 
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