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    Newly published data from HESA show how the privately educated continue to dominate highly ranked universities.
    1. University of Oxford - 42.3% (44.3%)
    2. University of Cambridge - 37.4% (38.1%)
    3. Durham University - 37.1% (39.5%)
    4. Imperial College London - 36.5% (34.5%) ↑
    5. University of St Andrews - 35.6% (43.3%)
    6. University of Bristol - 35.5% (38.6%)
    7. University of Edinburgh - 33.6% (30.3%) ↑
    8. University College London - 32.4% (31.6%) ↑
    9. London School of Economics - 31.6% (28.4%) ↑
    10. University of Exeter - 30.6% (31.5%)
    11. University of Bath - 27.4% (26.5%) ↑
    12. Oxford Brookes University - 26.3% (27.1%)
    13. Newcastle University - 25.1% (23.5%) ↑
    14. King's College London - 24.4% (22.7%) ↑
    15. University of Warwick - 22.0% (22.9%)

    (*) indicates the previous year's intake of privately educated students
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    Newly published data from HESA show how the privately educated continue to dominate highly ranked universities.
    1. University of Oxford - 42.3% (44.3%)
    2. University of Cambridge - 37.4% (38.1%)
    3. Durham University - 37.1% (39.5%)
    4. Imperial College London - 36.5% (34.5%) ↑
    5. University of St Andrews - 35.6% (43.3%)
    6. University of Bristol - 35.5% (38.6%)
    7. University of Edinburgh - 33.6% (30.3%) ↑
    8. University College London - 32.4% (31.6%) ↑
    9. London School of Economics - 31.6% (28.4%) ↑
    10. University of Exeter - 30.6% (31.5%)
    11. University of Bath - 27.4% (26.5%) ↑
    12. Oxford Brookes University - 26.3% (27.1%)
    13. Newcastle University - 25.1% (23.5%) ↑
    14. King's College London - 24.4% (22.7%) ↑
    15. University of Warwick - 22.0% (22.9%)

    (*) indicates the previous year's intake of privately educated students

    I mean, when 30% of people getting AAA+ grades are privately educated, it makes sense. Once you include well to do grammar schools and schools in rich areas, it gets even more understandable.

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    (Original post by ScotBank16)


    Newly published data from HESA show how the privately educated continue to dominate highly ranked universities.
    1. University of Oxford - 42.3% (44.3%)
    2. University of Cambridge - 37.4% (38.1%)
    3. Durham University - 37.1% (39.5%)
    4. Imperial College London - 36.5% (34.5%) ↑
    5. University of St Andrews - 35.6% (43.3%)
    6. University of Bristol - 35.5% (38.6%)
    7. University of Edinburgh - 33.6% (30.3%) ↑
    8. University College London - 32.4% (31.6%) ↑
    9. London School of Economics - 31.6% (28.4%) ↑
    10. University of Exeter - 30.6% (31.5%)
    11. University of Bath - 27.4% (26.5%) ↑
    12. Oxford Brookes University - 26.3% (27.1%)
    13. Newcastle University - 25.1% (23.5%) ↑
    14. King's College London - 24.4% (22.7%) ↑
    15. University of Warwick - 22.0% (22.9%)


    (*) indicates the previous year's intake of privately educated students
    I'm surprised how Exeter has more state-educated students as a proportion compared to Edinburgh, also how it's only 22% privately educated at Warwick given how well represented they are at IB firms and how prestigious their Maths/MORSE course is.

    The reason why I'm surprised about Edinburgh is because they have EXTREMELY generous bursary schemes for RUK students based on income, with something like an £8k bursary per year if your household income is £0, or £7250 if your income is 0 < £ < 16k (I think)
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    To get a sense of all this in a bigger context read the whole Guardian article : https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...n-have-stalled

    The interesting bit for this thread is the graph about half way through - "Edinburgh had the biggest decrease ...." - Bristol is at the other end of this range with a rapid rise in those from state schools.
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    (Original post by ScotBank16)
    Newly published data from HESA show how the privately educated continue to dominate highly ranked universities.
    1. University of Oxford - 42.3% (44.3%)
    2. University of Cambridge - 37.4% (38.1%)
    3. Durham University - 37.1% (39.5%)
    4. Imperial College London - 36.5% (34.5%) ↑
    5. University of St Andrews - 35.6% (43.3%)
    6. University of Bristol - 35.5% (38.6%)
    7. University of Edinburgh - 33.6% (30.3%) ↑
    8. University College London - 32.4% (31.6%) ↑
    9. London School of Economics - 31.6% (28.4%) ↑
    10. University of Exeter - 30.6% (31.5%)
    11. University of Bath - 27.4% (26.5%) ↑
    12. Oxford Brookes University - 26.3% (27.1%)
    13. Newcastle University - 25.1% (23.5%) ↑
    14. King's College London - 24.4% (22.7%) ↑
    15. University of Warwick - 22.0% (22.9%)

    (*) indicates the previous year's intake of privately educated students
    You realise the downward means the percentage of private schoolers is declining? So the situation is "improving" each year. A 2pp year-on-year change by Oxford is pretty significant.

    And to answer your question, no they aren't "dominated" by the privately educated. In all cases, private schooled students are the minority not the majority.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    You realise the downward means the percentage of private schoolers is declining? So the situation is "improving" each year. A 2pp year-on-year change by Oxford is pretty significant.

    And to answer your question, no they aren't "dominated". In all cases, private schooled students are the minority not the majority.
    Considering I made the list, yes HAHAHAHA.

    Only 7% of the population is privately educated, so yes they are disproportionally represented.
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    (Original post by ScotBank16)


    Newly published data from HESA show how the privately educated continue to dominate highly ranked universities.
    1. University of Oxford - 42.3% (44.3%)
    2. University of Cambridge - 37.4% (38.1%)
    3. Durham University - 37.1% (39.5%)
    4. Imperial College London - 36.5% (34.5%) ↑
    5. University of St Andrews - 35.6% (43.3%)
    6. University of Bristol - 35.5% (38.6%)
    7. University of Edinburgh - 33.6% (30.3%) ↑
    8. University College London - 32.4% (31.6%) ↑
    9. London School of Economics - 31.6% (28.4%) ↑
    10. University of Exeter - 30.6% (31.5%)
    11. University of Bath - 27.4% (26.5%) ↑
    12. Oxford Brookes University - 26.3% (27.1%)
    13. Newcastle University - 25.1% (23.5%) ↑
    14. King's College London - 24.4% (22.7%) ↑
    15. University of Warwick - 22.0% (22.9%)

    (*) indicates the previous year's intake of privately educated students
    16% of all 17 year olds attend an Independent Schools Council school.. That's not 16% of 17 year olds in schools, that is 16% of all 17 year olds including those doing apprenticeships, those with special needs and drop outs.
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    (Original post by ScotBank16)
    Only 7% of the population is privately educated, so yes they are disproportionally represented.
    And what's the percentage at sixth form level? (Hint: it's still disproportionate but *much* closer.)
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    And what's the percentage at sixth form level? (Hint: it's still disproportionate but *much* closer.)
    You tell me since you clearly know everything

    After all, I didn't even know what arrows meant!
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    (Original post by ScotBank16)
    You tell me since you clearly know everything

    After all, I didn't even know what arrows meant!
    Nulli has given you an answer already.
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    (Original post by ScotBank16)
    Considering I made the list, yes HAHAHAHA.

    Only 7% of the population is privately educated, so yes they are disproportionally represented.
    Mm. Could try harder, as your bar chart title , visualisation and accompanying data are presented in confusing way.
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    I don't know why people make such a big fuss over this. Its complete nonsense.

    Just achieve the bloody grades and apply and you'll be fine. You're are making it an issue when you use your fake stats to justify your nonsense.
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    Yes they are and it is a brutal reality.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    And what's the percentage at sixth form level? (Hint: it's still disproportionate but *much* closer.)
    why are you *so* condescending? you're a parent of undergraduates, yet you still act like so rudely on a forum for students.
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    (Original post by Oaken12)
    why are you *so* condescending?
    Only when information is being misrepresented. OP's premise is incorrect: private school students are in the minority - they don't "dominate" admissions.
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    (Original post by Oaken12)
    why are you *so* condescending? you're a parent of undergraduates, yet you still act like so rudely on a forum for students.
    What makes you think this forum is for students?

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    Newly published data from HESA show how the privately educated continue to dominate highly ranked universities.

    University of Oxford - 42.3% (44.3%) ↓
    University of Cambridge - 37.4% (38.1%) ↓
    Durham University - 37.1% (39.5%) ↓
    Imperial College London - 36.5% (34.5%) ↑
    University of St Andrews - 35.6% (43.3%) ↓
    University of Bristol - 35.5% (38.6%) ↓
    University of Edinburgh - 33.6% (30.3%) ↑
    University College London - 32.4% (31.6%) ↑
    London School of Economics - 31.6% (28.4%) ↑
    University of Exeter - 30.6% (31.5%) ↓
    University of Bath - 27.4% (26.5%) ↑
    Oxford Brookes University - 26.3% (27.1%) ↓
    Newcastle University - 25.1% (23.5%) ↑
    King's College London - 24.4% (22.7%) ↑
    University of Warwick - 22.0% (22.9%) ↓



    (*) indicates the previous year's intake of privately educated students


    But this is only for UK-domiciled students. If you consider non-UK students, and most of them unis have a very significant number of non-UK students, the number of privately educated students is going to be much much higher. But, of course, privately educated in an international school in HK is not exactly equivalent to being educated at Eton.
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    (Original post by ScotBank16)
    ... students
    Private schools push students to apply for the school's 'image' and publicity - they know that these unis do not necessarily offer the 'best fit' degree but just want the 'prestige'.

    State schools are more open to different unis and what might be the best option for an individual student.
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    Be aware though. Scottish University only take 20-30%of Scottish students. If a Scottish student does not get into Scotland but manage to get into Ucl they don't get the same bursary as English students do for living in Central London.
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    I'm surprised how Exeter has more state-educated students as a proportion compared to Edinburgh, also how it's only 22% privately educated at Warwick given how well represented they are at IB firms and how prestigious their Maths/MORSE course is.

    The reason why I'm surprised about Edinburgh is because they have EXTREMELY generous bursary schemes for RUK students based on income, with something like an £8k bursary per year if your household income is £0, or £7250 if your income is 0 < £ < 16k (I think)
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    (Original post by Kfcaldwell)
    Be aware though. Scottish University only take 20-30%of Scottish students. If a Scottish student does not get into Scotland but manage to get into Ucl they don't get the same bursary as English students do for living in Central London.
    Edit: Where are you getting that 20-30% stat from? The majority of students in Scotland are Scottish... And the majority of Scottish students go to Scottish universities.

    Also where does it say Scottish students don't get the same Bursary as English students from UCL?
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-stu...uate/hebss_nsp


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    (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
    But this is only for UK-domiciled students. If you consider non-UK students, and most of them unis have a very significant number of non-UK students, the number of privately educated students is going to be much much higher. But, of course, privately educated in an international school in HK is not exactly equivalent to being educated at Eton.

    Ahem, I beg to differ

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