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    (Original post by ugaaa5)
    You're acting as if everything you just said isn't discredited and bogus.
    Care to expand?
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    And people wonder why socialism only works at the point of a gun.

    How do you get forced nationalisation past any court?


    (Original post by CountBrandenburg)
    Because that’s so fair on them mate... give up a successful company without too much state influence and embrace a model where they answer mostly and directly to the State...


    That is the nature of the hard left.


    (Original post by Just my opinion)
    I wonder how that will go down with the millions of people who's private pensions have invested in these companies?

    Ok, we use the money we saved from not having to bailing out the rich owners and use it for worker's pensions. :top:
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    (Original post by Moosferatu)
    Some things are better run by the state, and some things are better run by the private sector. That is a fact.

    Sadly it seems as though some groups are intent on doing one to everything.

    Interestingly enough, the hard left Trotskyists I have met in life I can count on one hand and were in the same room... at an isolated society on a university campus.

    Yet right-wing zealots who want everything to be privatised seem to be a lot more common.

    Privatisation does not work for industries where there is no competition incentive. It merely creates inefficiencies as the middleman is always looking for his cut and to cut costs everywhere else... meaning a decline in services for the consumer.

    Most of the privatised utilities cost the taxpayer billions as when they (inevitably) fail, the owners are running cap in hand to the state begging for more money. See Virgin East Cost, Carillion, etc. All at the taxpayers cost. Nationalise the losses and privatise the profits, a ridiculous model. Especially when bonuses are being handed out when the company is tanking.

    Tighten up the privatisation model where it works to tie bonuses and remuneration to success. Nationalise essential services.

    Of course neither is going to happen under a neoliberal government because the model is utterly corrupt and based on discredited bogus economics and Objectivist thinking.
    I'm mainly referring to the fact that you claim that there is no competition in the sectors that Corbyn has outlined when there clearly is. Competition is not as high as it should be, but there still is competition.
    That said, I think we need a nationalised railway system.
    Otherwise, we should consider the merits and demerits of nationalising the others.
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    (Original post by ugaaa5)
    I'm mainly referring to the fact that you claim that there is no competition in the sectors that Corbyn has outlined when there clearly is. Competition is not as high as it should be, but there still is competition.
    That said, I think we need a nationalised railway system.
    Otherwise, we should consider the merits and demerits of nationalising the others.
    That was my whole point. You misunderstand me.

    I said some things are better run by the private sector and others are better run by the public.

    I would nationalise the railways. I would not nationalise KFC.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That is the nature of the hard left.





    Ok, we use the money we saved from not having to bailing out the rich owners and use it for worker's pensions. :top:
    You do know that millions of ordinary working people are paying into private pensions too don't you?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That is the nature of the hard left.





    Ok, we use the money we saved from not having to bailing out the rich owners and use it for worker's pensions. :top:
    You do know that millions of ordinary working people, you know the ones that go out and graft with their hands every day, are paying into private pensions too don't you?
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    (Original post by Just my opinion)
    You do know that millions of ordinary working people, you know the ones that go out and graft with their hands every day, are paying into private pensions too don't you?
    You mean the people my whole politics are based around empowering? Who knew!? Thank you for enlightening me.

    They are indeed beholden by capital. The threat of destition in old age is weilded by reactionaries all the time as a way of threatening against even the mildest of reformism.

    Mays as well argue against slave abolition on the grounds the slaves relied on the slave owners to feed them (this was one of the argumentsat the time).

    Why do you demand poeple grovel at the feet of capital?
 
 
 
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