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    Hi,
    I would like to do a conversion course in Psychology (MSc) and then get into Organisational Psychology. I am currently hesitating between doing this course in St Andrews University and UCL. I would like to get answers to the following questions:
    Which psychology course is better?
    How do both universities compare in terms of reputation (Both nationally and internationally)?
    Are there any other universities that are better in terms of quality of the course and teaching when it comes to Psychology?
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    (Original post by Oceanrouge)
    Hi,
    I would like to do a conversion course in Psychology (MSc) and then get into Organisational Psychology. I am currently hesitating between doing this course in St Andrews University and UCL. I would like to get answers to the following questions:
    Which psychology course is better?
    How do both universities compare in terms of reputation (Both nationally and internationally)?
    Are there any other universities that are better in terms of quality of the course and teaching when it comes to Psychology?
    One is a certificate and one is a Masters. Unless you already have a Masters, I would go for the St. Andrew's course. The certificate at UCL is not accredited by the GBC/BPS, and according to the UCL site, you would need to apply for a Master's program on TOP of that course to get accredited (both Psychology Masters offered at UCL are Child Psychology/Education courses so if that's not what you're interested in than I suggest you avoid that school). Not worth it. Go to St. Andrew's. That one is pretty good.

    I think Surrey, Sussex, and Edinburgh have great programs as well so I would look at those. I applied for St. Andrew's btw.

    Reputation doesn't matter for conversion courses. They are meant as a stepping stone to other degrees, like a specialized Master's in Psychology you wouldn't otherwise qualify for or a PhD. It's purpose is to give you the required science/psychology credits. They are not meant to stand alone to be honest.
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    (Original post by Jubial)
    Reputation doesn't matter for conversion courses. They are meant as a stepping stone to other degrees, like a specialized Master's in Psychology you wouldn't otherwise qualify for or a PhD. It's purpose is to give you the required science/psychology credits. They are not meant to stand alone to be honest.
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    That's correct. Becoming an Organisational Psychologist will require an accredited Masters in Industrial Psychology and 2 years of BPS QOP on the top of the graduate membership with BPS.
    I have also applied for St Andrews for their conversion course. What field do you want to specialise in?
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    Forensic Clinical Psychologist is the dream lol.
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    (Original post by Jubial)
    Forensic Clinical Psychologist is the dream lol.
    Sounds interesting!! Do you plan to do a Phd straight after your masters?
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    (Original post by Oceanrouge)
    Sounds interesting!! Do you plan to do a Phd straight after your masters?

    I plan on doing a Psy.D program but it requires a minimum of one year related work experience. I have 5 years in Consulting (Organizational and People Change department), but I doubt that would count toward experience for admission. :[
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    (Original post by Jubial)
    I plan on doing a Psy.D program but it requires a minimum of one year related work experience. I have 5 years in Consulting (Organizational and People Change department), but I doubt that would count toward experience for admission. :[
    I think they ask for relevant experience. You can always mention it because you developed some transferable skills. May I ask you why you didn't choose organisational psychology since you were dealing with organisational and change?
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    (Original post by Oceanrouge)
    I think they ask for relevant experience. You can always mention it because you developed some transferable skills. May I ask you why you didn't choose organisational psychology since you were dealing with organisational and change?
    I originally wanted to do Clinical Psychology during my undergraduate, mostly because my brother was in the same field and most of my family is either in nursing or some other type of medical field. But I went through a phase where I got really into investment banking/international business/finance so ended up doing a Finance/Chinese dual degree. The interest was very much short lived and I ended up regretting not sticking with my original idea.

    To answer your question, I hate dealing with corporations because they HATE change. I have worked with so many fortune 500 companies that have frustrated me so bad. In consulting, we had a lot of people on our team who had some type of psychology degree (most of the people in that department there had once except for me, I got placed there due to lack of resources) and I found that most of our suggestions for change to improve the workplace was either ignored or never taken. Working with businesses is very frustrating when project managers/CEO's aren't on board with change, no matter how great/valid your suggestions are. There is a lack of respect/application of Organizational Psychology in the workplace so a lot of time your effort to help is just thrown out the window and you're usually hired just to make the company "look good cause hey we tried look we have a psychologist". Also a lot of red tape.

    This is the experience I've had after working with corporations for the past 5 years.
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    (Original post by Jubial)
    Also a lot of red tape.
    When you say red tape, do you refer to workplace health and safety regulations?
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    (Original post by Oceanrouge)
    When you say red tape, do you refer to workplace health and safety regulations?
    No, more like your suggestions for increased health and safety of the workplace will take forever to go into effect - if ever (if you are hired directly for a company or are in consulting). You can be the best organizational psychologist on the planet, but if your manager or supervisor doesn't want to put your work into practice than you will feel pretty useless in your job. Or if you do get changes approved, you need to through layer and layer of manager approval for any change to take place within an organization and it takes years. Finance / Business people don't really respect psychologists.

    That's just what I see from the corporate/consulting side of the job though. Not sure what other jobs you can get with that degree though since I'm specifically interested in Clinical.
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    Well!! I am a trained SHE Advisor. SHE practitioners duties include: advising companies on how to comply with Health, Safety and Environmental law, risk management, accident investigations, auditing, etc. From my previous studies and experience, I developed a comprehensive understanding of organisational culture, behavioural change, leadership, team building and team management, motivation, risk perception, stress management, human error etc. Doing this course in psychology and getting into organisational psychology will widen my skills. I want to become a Human Factors Specialist and contribute to the field of human factors by doing psychology.
    I learned how to get senior managers and employees 'buy-in." The techniques I learned can be very effective in influencing others but do not work all the time because some people are very resistant to change.
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    (Original post by Oceanrouge)
    Well!! I am a trained SHE Advisor. SHE practitioners duties include: advising companies on how to comply with Health, Safety and Environmental law, risk management, accident investigations, auditing, etc. From my previous studies and experience, I developed a comprehensive understanding of organisational culture, behavioural change, leadership, team building and team management, motivation, risk perception, stress management, human error etc. Doing this course in psychology and getting into organisational psychology will widen my skills. I want to become a Human Factors Specialist and contribute to the field of human factors by doing psychology.
    I learned how to get senior manners and employees 'buy-in." The techniques I learned that can be very effective in influencing others but do not want all the time that is because some people are very resistant to change.
    Haha nice! Kudos to ya!
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    (Original post by Jubial)
    Haha nice! Kudos to ya!
    Let me know, if you get an offer from St Andrews Uni.
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    Hi, I hope you're doing well Jubial.
    Just curious!! have you heard from St andrews and what was the outcome of your application?
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    Haha nice! Kudos to ya!
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    (Original post by Oceanrouge)
    Hi, I hope you're doing well Jubial.
    Just curious!! have you heard from St andrews and what was the outcome of your application?
    Hi, have you heard from St Andrews? Hope you both got through

    I have just received an offer to study MSc Psychology Conversion at St Andrews. Also, have an offer from Univ of Nottingham, need to decide soon!!
 
 
 
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