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    (Original post by Napp)
    Also you know the Russians get on quite well with Israel right?
    Clearly you understand very little of Israel's relationship with Russia.

    Calling their relationship 'complex' is an extreme understatement. They have a degree of friendship between them, particularly because there are over a million Russian Jews living in Israel.

    On the other hand, Russia is the primary arms supplier of their major regional enemy, Iran.

    Israel has lost its last wars...
    It was ejected, by the beast it created, in Lebanon in 2000 and then decisively humiliated in 2006
    If they were so decisively humiliated, why hasn't Hezbollah tried again, even though they achieved none of their war goals?

    Not to mention its brutal campaigns against targets in Gaza have all largely failed in their objectives - despite killing thousands of civilians and turning the area in to a large concentration camp they have yet to do much damage to Hamas.
    It's hilarious how you lap up Hamas propaganda. :lol: You're just embarrassing yourself by taking such a blatantly one-eyed view.

    In each one of their engagements with Hamas they have achieved their objective; to stop the rockets. Hamas hasn't achieved theirs; to lift the blockade.
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    (Original post by Lit teacher)
    the Bedouin in the occupied Territories are having their villages systematically bulldozed by the Israeli army.
    irony piled on irony.... many of the brave Israeli peacekeepers are Bedouin
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    (Original post by Zxyn)
    So what was the moral of the Turkey story? It seems intriguing?
    Did you read the entire thing? You have to click the "See more" button to see the entire story.

    this kid once stole my drumstick when I was in KFC, should I fight him?
    Only if it was a turkey drumstick, obviously.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Syria just needs to get over the Golan, it's never going to get it back.

    Israel was completely justified in occupying the Golan Heights for defensive reasons, given from 1948 to 1967 Syrian artillery was constantly shelling its farmers, and was used as an infiltration point for terrorists.

    The only circumstances in which it would be said Israel was not justified in occupying the Golan is if you believe Israelis have a moral duty just to take it, to let themselves be killed. I guess Jew-haters might well take that point of view.



    Nothing wrong with possession of nuclear weapons, in the right hands. The UK has never launched a nuclear attack. Israel has never launched a nuclear attack. These weapons have only ever been used for the purposes of deterrence.

    The same obviously does not apply to messianic, geriatric mullahs who would love nothing better than to bring on armageddon.



    What is Iran even doing there? Why are they intervening in other countries? Obviously they're neocons



    To bomb convoys of advanced weapons being shipped to Hezbollah, yes. Something Israel has every right to do under international law.



    The irony is you actually think you're an expert on the Israel/Palestine conflict.

    You really should brush up on your grasp of English, by the way. Systematic clearly does not mean what you think it means.
    The usually hypocrisy.
    Israel's illegal occupation of the territory of another country is 'completely justified' because it was used to attack Israel. Presumably you wouldn't apply the same reasoning if the residents of Gaza occupied the areas of Israel used to launch a series of attacks that have killed thousands of Palestinians. (On average, Israeli forces have killed a Palestinian child every 3 days for the last 13 years)

    You say "if you believe Israelis have a moral duty just to take it, to let themselves be killed. I guess Jew-haters might well take that point of view." but can't apply that logic to the victims of Israeli aggression in Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, the Occupied Territories, to say nothing of Israel's policy of assassination of those it disagrees with overseas. Do these people have a 'moral duty just to take it'? If so, presumably that makes you a 'Muslim-hater'.

    The theocratic rulers in Iran are "messianic, geriatric mullahs", ignoring the fact that Likud are only being kept in power by a coalition of Ultra-Orthodox religious extremists, some of whom ban women from standing for election and have called for Arabs to be annihilated.

    If Iran interferes in other countries they are 'neocons', but when Israel assassinates and attempts to destabilise countries, or invades them with military force it is for defence.

    To "bomb convoys of advanced weapons being shipped to Hezbollah, [is] Something Israel has every right to do under international law" but the shooting down of an Israeli warplane that was taking part in an act of aggression against Syria is a crime that needs to be punished with 'lots of Iranian and Syrian blood'.

    I used the term 'systematically' deliberately. Here's a definition:"done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical"
    Here's a report of just one of the Bedouin villages that has been systematically destroyed for the 116th time since 2010. The IDF are nothing if not methodical.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    irony piled on irony.... many of the brave Israeli peacekeepers are Bedouin
    About 450 Bedouin a year volunteer for the IDF, despite being offered shorter terms of service, discounted land and subsidised education. That's about 0.25% of the active strength of the IDF. (0.07% if you include reserves)
    Put another way, the number of Bedouin recruits to the IDF is similar to the number of Palestinian children currently locked up in Israeli military prisons.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    What is Iran even doing there? Why are they intervening in other countries? Obviously they're neocons
    The Iranians - like Hezbollah and the Russians - were invited by the Syrian government to ensure that the sovereign state of the Syrian Arab Republic did not fall to Gulf states, Israeli and NATO-backed Islamo-fascists i.e. ISIS, al-Qaeda, and various other Salafi-jihadist groups.
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    The man of peace



    The warmongers were the corrupt Jewish bought governments of the West

    Jews love war as they are WAR PROFITEERS

    They did everything to incite anti-semitism by boycotting Germany which led to a lot of suffering of Germans and suicides.


    Truth hurts doens't it? cucks
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    You're just embarrassing yourself by taking such a blatantly one-eyed view.
    Pot, meet kettle.
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    (Original post by AntiBshit)
    Truth hurts doens't it? cucks
    The irrational rantings of Nesta Webster, author of 'The Need for Fascism in Great Britain' and member of the British Union of Fascists' is hardly 'The Truth'.

    Thank goodness there are still posters like this to remind everybody that fascism and anti-semitism is still a threat.
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    Iran is taking a stand for the Middle East.If WW3 begins, it will be at the hands of Israel and the USA , they have been plotting secretly for the fall of the middle east for years.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Clearly you understand very little of Israel's relationship with Russia.

    Calling their relationship 'complex' is an extreme understatement. They have a degree of friendship between them, particularly because there are over a million Russian Jews living in Israel.

    On the other hand, Russia is the primary arms supplier of their major regional enemy, Iran.
    I'm curious, are you capable of writing a reply and not coming across as a aloof and frankly rude?
    At any rate how exactly did what I say contravene any of what you just said?
    Russia maintains a relatively happy transactional relationship with Tel Aviv. But leading on from what you said there is quite a lot of bilateral trade these days especially as Irael is one of the only countries to sell Russia advanced tech and arms.

    If they were so decisively humiliated, why hasn't Hezbollah tried again, even though they achieved none of their war goals?
    Because contrary to the belief of the ignorant Hezbollah is not a terror group hell bent on world conquest but is a domestically centered group who are more the business of preserving Lebanese sovereignty, at present this relates to the shebaa farms which Israel keeps squatting on though.
    Their war goal? in the first instance it was to eject Israel from Lebanon - this was more or less accomplished. In the '06 conflict this was a war instigated by Israel, not Nasrallah So you cant really sum up Hezbollahs 'war aims' as opposed to surviving the IDF assault - which they did very nicely.

    It's hilarious how you lap up Hamas propaganda. :lol: You're just embarrassing yourself by taking such a blatantly one-eyed view.
    Again, pot meet kettle :rolleyes:
    I take the broad view - flattening refugee camps is not a response of a civilized nation to a couple of potty rockets. It is barbarism pure and simple. Maybe you should visit Gaza instead of fulminating from your bedroom? It might change your perspective.
    In each one of their engagements with Hamas they have achieved their objective; to stop the rockets. Hamas hasn't achieved theirs; to lift the blockade.
    Except they havent stopped the rockets.
    Its not so much a blockade as a siege. I find it rather droll you keep prattling on about Israel simply defending itself and acting within the rule of law - how exactly do you square this fantasy with starving civilians into submission in a manner rather prescient of Aleppo?
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    (Original post by Lit teacher)
    The usually hypocrisy.
    Israel's illegal occupation of the territory of another country is 'completely justified' because it was used to attack Israel. Presumably you wouldn't apply the same reasoning if the residents of Gaza occupied the areas of Israel used to launch a series of attacks that have killed thousands of Palestinians. (On average, Israeli forces have killed a Palestinian child every 3 days for the last 13 years)
    I've always found the double standards expressed by these Israeli apologists to be deeply troubling. If Hamas fires rockets at Israel it is somehow an unforgivable act of terror by blood thirsty savages yet by every metric it is a justified act of self defense given the heinous acts committed by the IDF - who do exactly the same thing but on a vastly bigger scale.

    You say "if you believe Israelis have a moral duty just to take it, to let themselves be killed. I guess Jew-haters might well take that point of view." but can't apply that logic to the victims of Israeli aggression in Lebanon, Syria, Gaza, the Occupied Territories, to say nothing of Israel's policy of assassination of those it disagrees with overseas. Do these people have a 'moral duty just to take it'? If so, presumably that makes you a 'Muslim-hater'.
    And on this as well, with especial reference to Lebanon, Israel has waged two expansionist wars against Lebanon resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands - mainly civillians. It truly beggars belief that people can still claim Israel has 'purity of arms' and only wages 'just wars' when this has been proved not but a vile insult to the civillians that have been cut to ribbons and burned to death in indiscriminate shrapnel/cluster/phosphorous shelling and flattened when their tower block is hit with precision bombs.
 
 
 
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