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    (Original post by J-SP)
    If you don’t like your degree then stop it. But you will have wasted the time and money you have dedicated to it so far. Many would suggest continuing with it at least will keep more doors open than if you leave and many will close.
    Is it hard to understand this? Why ask for peoples opinions if you're just going to argue with them?
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Is it hard to understand this? Why ask for peoples opinions if you're just going to argue with them?
    People often come on here for reassurance that they are right or doing the right thing, rather than truly wanting people’s actual advice.
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    People often come on here for reassurance that they are right or doing the right thing, rather than truly wanting people’s actual advice.
    But, why argue, when given the reassurance you want, seems so weird to me.
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    (Original post by Hughey89)



    Well then quit. You're ridiculous. You ask for peoples opinion on what to do and basically tell them they're wrong and try to shi* on them. What University do you go to? See your *****in* all over that too. You've had over 15 years for your life to 'start'. Maybe knuckle down now and complete something rather than drag yourself and anyone who you asked for opinions down.
    I think you may be taking this too personally and I think you may have had this argument before?

    Possibly with somebody who does go to an RG who has legitimately s**t on your degree/Uni and you're getting pretty defensive.

    I'm not saying anything bad about the people who go or about the Uni's themselves. My Uni is in the top 50 (I'm not going to say which) and it has good research.

    But the facts are that Uni's are like a brand. My £10 fruit of the loom hoodie is extremely comfortable and functional. My £180 Mammut jacket is no more or less comfortable. However, just by the branding, one is worth more than the other to people.

    Sad but true.

    You seem to think that I'm calling you stupid or a failure. I'm not.

    But even with your optimism and your determination, you will struggle more than a non-RG student when looking for work.

    As for the 15 years for my life to start, what I meant was, I have given up everything for this course, my old job, my old flat and my old life. I am not enjoying writing essays in a s**thole trying to start again.
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    People often come on here for reassurance that they are right or doing the right thing, rather than truly wanting people’s actual advice.
    I have yet to actually discuss my options. I have just had arguments about whether or not non-RG are of any worth.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    But, why argue, when given the reassurance you want, seems so weird to me.
    Because we're not actually discussing what I asked.
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    (Original post by Hughey89)
    But the facts are that Uni's are like a brand. My £10 fruit of the loom hoodie is extremely comfortable and functional. My £180 Mammut jacket is no more or less comfortable. However, just by the branding, one is worth more than the other to people.

    Sad but true.
    Except employers are hiring the equivalent of the model, not the clothing they are wearing.
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    Except employers are hiring the equivalent of the model, not the clothing they are wearing.
    Why take a non-RG when you can have one?

    Like I said, only ambulance chasers advertise at our Uni. Just because they are working in law, it doesn't mean they're doing anything buy low-tort.
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    (Original post by jdddd)

    I think you may be taking this too personally and I think you may have had this argument before?

    Possibly with somebody who does go to an RG who has legitimately s**t on your degree/Uni and you're getting pretty defensive.

    I'm not saying anything bad about the people who go or about the Uni's themselves. My Uni is in the top 50 (I'm not going to say which) and it has good research.

    But the facts are that Uni's are like a brand. My £10 fruit of the loom hoodie is extremely comfortable and functional. My £180 Mammut jacket is no more or less comfortable. However, just by the branding, one is worth more than the other to people.

    Sad but true.

    You seem to think that I'm calling you stupid or a failure. I'm not.

    But even with your optimism and your determination, you will struggle more than a non-RG student when looking for work.

    As for the 15 years for my life to start, what I meant was, I have given up everything for this course, my old job, my old flat and my old life. I am not enjoying writing essays in a s**thole trying to start again.
    Thats utter nonsense lol. Russell Groups aren't worth anymore? What have you been reading? Trust me.

    My Brother gets jobs with ease and he didn't go to a top 50 University let alone a Russell Group lol.

    Do you just give-up with everything once you read some nonsense about something?
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Thats utter nonsense lol. Russell Groups aren't worth anymore? What have you been reading? Trust me.
    I've been reading everything I can find on it. Look at the dearth of job available and the amount of BPTC graduates with no future. It's evident.

    Just because a poster at your Uni says that "96% of our students are in full time employment", it doesn't mean they are working in law.

    (Original post by jdddd)
    My Brother gets jobs with ease and he didn't go to a top 50 University let alone a Russell Group lol.
    I think you may be over stating this. Nobody gets a job with 'ease' these days.

    Just because your brother got lucky, it doesn't mean that the majority of us will.

    Also, it depends on what he does. If he did a job specific course that followed training in a much needed field, he of course will find work.

    (Original post by jdddd)
    Do you just give-up with everything once you read some nonsense about something?
    No, that's why I've tried to start a discussion.

    Hopefully I would have gotten something more than people who have spent over a year drilling in hopeful ideals about their Uni responding.

    I'm at a turning point in my life where I can keep studying something that will get me a useless piece of paper which may have poor outcomes, or I can follow an old dream which might have poor outcomes.

    This isn't what I had in mind and I'm just as annoyed by this as you are.
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    If you think that the university you're in isn't good enough then why did you decide to go? Anyway I don't know all your specific circumstances but if you think it's that bad then you should probably drop out. After all you said that your main goal is to find a career to sink your teeth into every day and find meaning, but you seem confident that you will not find that through your degree.

    However it sounds to me like you're being too cynical about your degree. Obviously you would have stronger graduate prospects going to a better uni and I agree that degrees are becoming more and more saturated but a top 50 uni isn't even that bad.

    Also most of the time people's talents do not overlap with their passions so you have to make compromises within your career. If you are good at law and think you could make good money from it then I'd stick with it as long as you don't hate it too much.
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    (Original post by Hughey89)
    I've been reading everything I can find on it. Look at the dearth of job available and the amount of BPTC graduates with no future. It's evident.

    Just because a poster at your Uni says that "96% of our students are in full time employment", it doesn't mean they are working in law.



    I think you may be over stating this. Nobody gets a job with 'ease' these days.

    Just because your brother got lucky, it doesn't mean that the majority of us will.

    Also, it depends on what he does. If he did a job specific course that followed training in a much needed field, he of course will find work.



    No, that's why I've tried to start a discussion.

    Hopefully I would have gotten something more than people who have spent over a year drilling in hopeful ideals about their Uni responding.

    I'm at a turning point in my life where I can keep studying something that will get me a useless piece of paper which may have poor outcomes, or I can follow an old dream which might have poor outcomes.

    This isn't what I had in mind and I'm just as annoyed by this as you are.
    Im not going by posters.

    My Brother does but probably to do with his profession, but still.

    Think bright, negative people don't get anywhere.

    No, its not drilling in hopeful ideals its called having an ambition, if you look at everything with a negative mindset you won't do anything.

    You must be a troll. Why go to University in the first place?

    A BPTC Graduate with no future? You've got to be having a laugh - Law probably has the most transferable skills you can get in a degree lol.

    You want to be a Police officer? Attitude is ****.
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    (Original post by Hughey89)

    I'm inclined to agree with you here, but at my age and life experience, I know better than to be too optimistic, that's when getting bitten hurts the most... when you're not bracing for it. I've been bitten hard quite a few times and now I know when to brace. Practically all your waking life.

    I think that (and I would advise) you always look at the worst case scenario. That way you're better prepared and if the best case comes around you're more than prepared.

    I'm just sick of sitting around writing essays waiting for my life to start. And while I'm sat here doing this s**t, I'm at a University that would probably get laughed at on job or LLM applications (to good Uni's).

    I suppose it varies by University as to what people want to do. The point was that just because somebody wants to be a barrister, it doesn't mean they'll achieve it, therefore judging the number of barristers that are trained every year doesn't accurately show how many people aspire to it.

    I'm not sure which cohort you're referring to.
    I have met people from probably less known unis than yours get into top LLMs and into top firms, as well as top grad schemes.

    You're defeated, in your own mind, before you've even started. That is not conducive to success.
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Thats utter nonsense lol. Russell Groups aren't worth anymore? What have you been reading? Trust me.

    My Brother gets jobs with ease and he didn't go to a top 50 University let alone a Russell Group lol.

    Do you just give-up with everything once you read some nonsense about something?
    I recruited plenty of non RG grads for law firms. It’s not the differentiator you are making it out to be

    Sorry was meant for the OP - not sure why it’s quoted you (hate the unpredictability of this app)
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    I recruited plenty of non RG grads for law firms. It’s not the differentiator you are making it out to be
    Whats your job? Exactly. What if the Non Russell Group graduate has a better grade, experience and training, or are they just thrown out the window? lol
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    (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
    I have met people from probably less known unis than yours get into top LLMs and into top firms, as well as top grad schemes.
    Couldn't agree more with this (and I speak from personal experience).
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    (Original post by jdddd)
    Whats your job? Exactly. What if the Non Russell Group graduate has a better grade, experience and training, or are they just thrown out the window? lol
    Most recruiters can’t afford to chuck out the non RG applicants even if they thought there was a big difference.they never meet their hiring targets if they did.
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    (Original post by Forum User)
    Couldn't agree more with this (and I speak from personal experience).
    If you don't mind me asking, whats your personal experience, just curious, I was thinking of doing LLM after graduating, have you done it?
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    I recruited plenty of non RG grads for law firms. It’s not the differentiator you are making it out to be

    Sorry was meant for the OP - not sure why it’s quoted you (hate the unpredictability of this app)
    No problem, if anything, respect, using that app its dreadful haha
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    First of all, thank you for this.

    A reasonable post. Something reasonably productive.

    [QUOTE=Aardwolf;76057944]If you think that the university you're in isn't good enough then why did you decide to go? Anyway I don't know all your specific circumstances but if you think it's that bad then you should probably drop out. After all you said that your main goal is to find a career to sink your teeth into every day and find meaning, but you seem confident that you will not find that through your degree.

    I didn't really have much choice.

    I'm just plugging away, day by seemingly wasted day, I sit in a University and watch my life go by doing this s**t.

    But I have no choice.

    Except possibly drop out and run away to France. But I'm not sure what will come of that either in a few years. (the point of this post)

    (Original post by Aardwolf)
    However it sounds to me like you're being too cynical about your degree. Obviously you would have stronger graduate prospects going to a better uni and I agree that degrees are becoming more and more saturated but a top 50 uni isn't even that bad.
    Basically, I re-did two A-Levels to go to Uni and I got an A and a B, basically one grade short of the Russell Group and up until that point I had been reading nothing but bad stuff about non-RG, my careers advisers all said basically the same thing.

    This site is toxic with non-RG hate and Law degrees are so abundant that it seems that you would take the higher achievers who got into better Unis to start with, no?

    Again, thank you for the reasonable response.

    (Original post by Aardwolf)
    Also most of the time people's talents do not overlap with their passions so you have to make compromises within your career. If you are good at law and think you could make good money from it then I'd stick with it as long as you don't hate it too much.
    Lol, I would honestly rather die than work in a law office.

    A life without passion is really not worth living.
 
 
 
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