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    Statement from the Secretary of State for Justice



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    Statement from the
    Secretary of State of Justice


    Mr Speaker,

    As many of the House will know, two British Jihadists known as Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, who were identified as the last two members of the execution cell known as "the Beatles", were captured in Syria by Syrian Kurdish fighters part of the Syrian Democratic Forces and were later made available to the United States Military for interrogation.

    These men are traitors to the United Kingdom and must be brought to justice in the English courts. I have, to this effect, recommended that the Crown Prosecution Service try these criminals for high treason against the United Kingdom. This is also a matter of sovereignty, we cannot allow a foreign court to try British citizens for treason and any crime less than treason is not only injustice but an insult to the victims of their vile acts. We must not let crimes like this go unpunished. These two men may be of British origin but they've betrayed this country, their families and themselves. It is imperative that the United States delivers these criminals directly to us and to this end the Foreign Office will be requesting the extradition of these criminals back to the United Kingdom for trial.

    May justice be done upon the traitors and all those who would dare deem themselves part of the Islamic State.
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    They should be sent to face charges in front of the international criminal courts and have their citizenship removed.
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    A statement that is not consistent with the legal system in TSR after the TSR Labour Party's reforms last year.
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    Interesting, and if the Americans don't give them to us because they're going before an international court instead?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Interesting, and if the Americans don't give them to us because they're going before an international court instead?
    If the Americans refuse, then yes, they must face an international criminal court to face punishment for their heinous acts.
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    (Original post by Vitiate)
    If the Americans refuse, then yes, they must face an international criminal court to face punishment for their heinous acts.
    Sooooo, they're going before the international courts, as they should be.
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    Nay. I see no reason to try them for treason when it's an outdated offence and the offences under the Terrorism Act are far more appropriate. Does the Justice Secretary want a conviction? He won't get a conviction for treason.
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    Nay- let the locals deal with them, without all the bureaucratic red tape that holds back what is true justice.
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    Vitiate CoffeeGeek do you/your party/your government research these things?

    They aren’t British citizens anymore they lost citizenship in 2014 so it isn’t a sovereignty issue like you claim.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Vitiate CoffeeGeek do you/your party/your government research these things?

    They aren’t British citizens anymore they lost citizenship in 2014 so it isn’t a sovereignty issue like you claim.
    Why do you ask questions you already know the answer to?
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    Indeed, as Joe mentioned, the two in question no longer have British citizenship, so it stands to reason that their trial and punishment must be made by an international court.
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    Nay – as has been established, they should be dealt with in an international court. And besides, "high treason"?? What century are you living in? They won't be convicted for treason, that's for sure, as they're no longer British, so although they "adhered to the sovereign's enemy", [I'm assuming that's the part of the treason act you're looking at] as they aren't British citizens I think they didn't have an obligation not to.

    Anyway, let international court deal with them.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    They should be sent to face charges in front of the international criminal courts and have their citizenship removed.
    They were British citizens, to be tried in any other state is offensive.

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Interesting, and if the Americans don't give them to us because they're going before an international court instead?
    Canon amendment, royal prerogative.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    They were British citizens, to be tried in any other state is offensive.



    Canon amendment, royal prerogative.
    That’s not what they statement says
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    They were British citizens, to be tried in any other state is offensive.



    Canon amendment, royal prerogative.
    Canon amendment does not mean that we can dictate what the rest of the world does, try again.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Canon amendment does not mean that we can dictate what the rest of the world does, try again.
    This.

    People radically over estimate the effect of canon. All it really does is permit us to act as delegated legislatures (see Irish abortion Bill last term); the point about other bodies is merely incorporating sovereignty as exists IRL.

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