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    He was trained by one of the over 45 white supremacist groups in America!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/15/teenager-charged-florida-school-shooting-trained-white-supremacist/
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    (Original post by erratic_deus)
    http://time.com/5160819/parkland-sho...emacist-group/

    He made a terrorist threat on social media by proclaiming he'd shoot up a school.
    (Original post by erratic_deus)
    He was trained by one of the over 45 white supremacist groups in America!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/15/teenager-charged-florida-school-shooting-trained-white-supremacist/
    Read my earlier post regarding the authenticity of him being a part of a white supremacist group... not ruling out whether he was or not, but so far nothing posted online definitively suggests he was.
    These sort of comments made by him should have been acted upon given that those connected to him knew of such comments. Though to say that it was a terrorist threat is far fetched, the definition of terrorism is that the action must have some political meaning behind it. As far as we can gather, our shooter here is just obsessed with both guns and killing... which matches the reports that he’d been receiving mental health services before he discontinued them
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    why won't America just change their laws about guns?

    it's like they want innocent people to die.
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    (Original post by Napp)
    People seem to be forgetting one simple problem with trying to ban guns in america, or atleast limiting them, they're already so obscenely prevalent and people are so loath to give them up it would be quite impossible. Half of these kooks own guns specifically to stop the government trying such a thing - i perish the thought of what would happen if their government tried to forcibly disarm some of these lot who are better armed than most national armies.
    Ones out there are a different matter, but who is seriously going to argue a troubled teenager should keep such easy, unsupervised access to military grade weaponry?
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    If Democrats are serious about gun policy, they need to make concessions on immigration policy. You can't have it both ways and the people won't tolerate it.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    This proclaimed need to have guns so that they can violently rise up against a future tyrannical government is total idiocy.
    What's even more insane is the idea that in the event of a civil war or uprising, a loose civilian militia with a greater prevalence of obesity than rifle proficiency stands even a smidgen of a chance against the US military.
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    (Original post by hamna98)
    why won't America just change their laws about guns?

    it's like they want innocent people to die.
    The whole purpose of hoaxes such as these is to get gun laws passed that basically outlaw all civilian gun ownership. The state does not want its civilians armed in case of an uprising against a totalitarian state. They couldn't care less about civilians shooting each other, they want as many civilians dead as possible because they consider the world to be overpopulated.
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    (Original post by cocounited)
    This is another HOAX. The go fund me pages are already going up. Don't donate! It will only go to paying off the crisis actors and the trillionaires behind all of these hoaxes and false flags. Sandy Hook School was CLOSED at the time of the mass shooting. This is another one of them.
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    (Original post by hamna98)
    why won't America just change their laws about guns?

    it's like they want innocent people to die.
    Why did the homicide rate increase in the uk when we banned guns if banning guns reduces the homicide rate?
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    (Original post by NJA)
    People get angry and act irrationally. If guns are available some will get used and innocent people will get shot.


    The solution?

    (a) arm everyone who wants to be armed so there is more chance someone can shoot the shooter

    (b) outlaw guns to all but licensed people


    (a) doesn't work ... 18 school shootings so far this year in the USA
    (b) works better and is used by the all other civilised nations

    America considers itself a "Christian" nation, maybe it should consider the Lord's prayer:
    "lead us not into temptation . . "
    Here are some of the ‘18 school shootings’

    Accidental discharge during a criminal justice club http://www.kxii.com/content/news/Bul...469653223.html

    One in which
    “Gunshots, which most likely originated off-campus, hit a window of the visual arts building at California State University”

    One was a cops gun going off accidentally
    https://www.twincities.com/2018/02/0...ries-reported/

    Suicides
    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ys/1021334001/

    Incidents at schools which have been closed down for months and not in use anymore
    https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/...on/1002904001/
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    Hear, hear!! One day... :moon:

    "Donald Trump will likely get one more Supreme Court nomination, or two or three, before he leaves office, guaranteeing a pro-gun court for another generation. Expansive interpretations of the right to bear arms will be the law of the land — until the 'right' itself ceases to be."

    - https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/0....google.com%2F
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Hear, hear!! One day... :moon:

    "Donald Trump will likely get one more Supreme Court nomination, or two or three, before he leaves office, guaranteeing a pro-gun court for another generation. Expansive interpretations of the right to bear arms will be the law of the land — until the 'right' itself ceases to be."

    - https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/0....google.com%2F
    In other words Donald Trump will get another Supreme Court nomination and use it to guarantee the rights of American citizens, if he does then he is doing exactly what the president should be doing.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    In other words Donald Trump will get another Supreme Court nomination and use it to guarantee the rights of American citizens, if he does then he is doing exactly what the president should be doing.
    Trump certainly does not have any interest in defending people's rights - everything he does is first and foremost for his own benefit, but that's a separate debate. The question posed in that article is should it be a right in the first place? I don't think it should. It might take another 50 years to repeal it, but it is an amendment whose days are numbered.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Trump certainly does not have any interest in defending people's rights - everything he does is first and foremost for his own benefit, but that's a separate debate. The question posed in that article is should it be a right in the first place? I don't think it should. It might take another 50 years to repeal it, but it is an amendment whose days are numbered.
    Yes it should be a right everyone should be allowed to have the tools to defend themselves but it is interesting how you are saying you don’t care about people’s rights and want to remove them.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Yes it should be a right everyone should be allowed to have the tools to defend themselves but it is interesting how you are saying you don’t care about people’s rights and want to remove them.
    Defend themselves against what? An armed population isn't going to protect the country from foreign powers or the threat of nuclear/cyber attack, nor do guns make people safer (the article notes that in 2015 there were 268 justifiable homicides by private citizens involving firearms; that is, felons killed in the course of committing a felony... but in same year there were 489 unintentional firearms deaths, and between 77 and 141 of those killed were children) - if more people are shooting themselves or others by accident than criminals then clearly there's a problem.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Why did the homicide rate increase in the uk when we banned guns if banning guns reduces the homicide rate?
    Well if the US had changed gun laws before this incident, fewer lives would have been lost, if the killer came in with a knife, more people probably would have survived. How could they let a 17yr old boy buy a gun?! What for..... also did they not check his background before they allowed him to buy it? - he’s autistic....& they didn’t even bother checking?
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    (Original post by hamna98)
    Well if the US had changed gun laws before this incident, fewer lives would have been lost, if the killer came in with a knife, more people probably would have survived. How could they let a 17yr old boy buy a gun?! What for..... also did they not check his background before they allowed him to buy it? - he’s autistic....& they didn’t even bother checking?
    To me that sounds like an argument to say the US needs to look into how it regulates their guns and why checks fail rather than limiting even more who can carry firearms
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Ones out there are a different matter, but who is seriously going to argue a troubled teenager should keep such easy, unsupervised access to military grade weaponry?
    Oh I dont dispute that for a moment, I was solely reffering to the inherent problem with trying to take away these peoples guns - I cant for see it ending especially well.
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    (Original post by CountBrandenburg)
    To me that sounds like an argument to say the US needs to look into how it regulates their guns and why checks fail rather than limiting even more who can carry firearms
    Well none of this would of even happened if the gun law changed.... so they need to change the law and make the age limit older, and they also need to do background checks, simple
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    (Original post by hamna98)
    Well none of this would of even happened if the gun law changed.... so they need to change the law and make the age limit older, and they also need to do background checks, simple
    To say it won’t even happen is deluding yourself. It can still happen if personal firearms are made illegal. Why make the age limit older, when there’s already checks to make sure minors don’t receive guns? Like I’ve said, in the US, there’s a bigger problem about how background checks occur, not the fact there aren’t any. They certainly do happen and it would be foolish to try to restrict personal freedoms because of submitting to the Democrat’s hysteria
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