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    Hi Guys,

    So basically I am in my second year and I dont have that great grades in first year so only applied to a few firms for vacation schemes and I got to the assessment centre stage but today got a call saying I had been rejected.

    Dont get me wrong, I was very fortunate to even this far but over the process I became quite emotionally invested in the firm and the more I researched it the more perfect it seemed for me.

    I have been quite upset since getting the PFO and honestly do not have any motivation to apply for other schemes or even do my work for my degree.

    I know this sounds like a whining post as rejection is the legal sector is inevitable but idk im just lacking confidence already that I can even get a TC and this kind of has hit me hard.
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    Do you have any applications left? Was it just that one AC?

    It's a bit late to apply to summer vac schemes now. Only a handful are open, and most of them have invites being sent out slowly.

    I imagine that you're stuck in a bit of a rut right now. That's understandable. What you need to do is induce yourself to change your mentality. No one else is going to do it.

    The best way to motivate yourself is get someone from your Careers service to take a good, honest look at your CV. Identify the weaknesses, and fix them. If these weaknesses are grades, that should be your area of focus, and your motivation. If they're work experience, try finding someone to shadow for a few days, and get some legal volunteer training with a charity/clinic/the CAB over the summer. Think of yourself as starting a 9-month preparation course for the next set of vac schemes and TCs next year.
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    (Original post by JohanGRK)
    Do you have any applications left? Was it just that one AC?

    It's a bit late to apply to summer vac schemes now. Only a handful are open, and most of them have invites being sent out slowly.

    I imagine that you're stuck in a bit of a rut right now. That's understandable. What you need to do is induce yourself to change your mentality. No one else is going to do it.

    The best way to motivate yourself is get someone from your Careers service to take a good, honest look at your CV. Identify the weaknesses, and fix them. If these weaknesses are grades, that should be your area of focus, and your motivation. If they're work experience, try finding someone to shadow for a few days, and get some legal volunteer training with a charity/clinic/the CAB over the summer. Think of yourself as starting a 9-month preparation course for the next set of vac schemes and TCs next year.
    Hi, thanks for the reply! No I applied to 6 I think, some big city firms and one MC firm. Its quite annoying because I have gotten past the application stage for all of them and the last two gotten to the AC stage and fell on the last hurdle. I dont mind rejection, if I receive it from the get go, but like I said the last rejection kind of has hurt a lot more just because I actually was really attached to the firm (sounds stupid I know) but it kind of became my "fav".

    I think my biggest weaknesses are grades from first year, I have less than respectable grades a first and a few 2:1s rest 2:2s. Although I have clearly done something right to get past these in the application stage. I really want to achieve a first class degree but I dont of feel like whats the point. But I think its because its only today the rejection call came so maybe in a day or so I will get over it.

    I do also appriciate the rejection is the norm (harsh but true) when applying to VS and TCs and I need to suck it up, which I am trying to do. Like I said I would say my grades are my biggest downfall, I have quite a few legal experiences listed. I do however need to get feedback and see where I am stumbling on in my ACs and try and correct them.

    Do you think it is worth applying for the 2020 TC cycle or worth waiting till next year? I am trying my hardest to graduate with a first class degree or atleast above 67% but my only issue is I do not want to take a year "out" but it seems that this is also becoming a norm among law grads in order to secure top TCs.

    How is your VS/TC hunting going? If you dont mind me asking.
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    Hi, thanks for the reply! No I applied to 6 I think, some big city firms and one MC firm. Its quite annoying because I have gotten past the application stage for all of them and the last two gotten to the AC stage and fell on the last hurdle. I dont mind rejection, if I receive it from the get go, but like I said the last rejection kind of has hurt a lot more just because I actually was really attached to the firm (sounds stupid I know) but it kind of became my "fav".

    I think my biggest weaknesses are grades from first year, I have less than respectable grades a first and a few 2:1s rest 2:2s. Although I have clearly done something right to get past these in the application stage. I really want to achieve a first class degree but I dont of feel like whats the point. But I think its because its only today the rejection call came so maybe in a day or so I will get over it.

    I do also appriciate the rejection is the norm (harsh but true) when applying to VS and TCs and I need to suck it up, which I am trying to do. Like I said I would say my grades are my biggest downfall, I have quite a few legal experiences listed. I do however need to get feedback and see where I am stumbling on in my ACs and try and correct them.

    Do you think it is worth applying for the 2020 TC cycle or worth waiting till next year? I am trying my hardest to graduate with a first class degree or atleast above 67% but my only issue is I do not want to take a year "out" but it seems that this is also becoming a norm among law grads in order to secure top TCs.

    How is your VS/TC hunting going? If you dont mind me asking.
    On the point that rejection is the norm - it most definitely is unless you're applying to few firms which are your bffs for whatever reason, or have elite grades etc. So you're the norm. You're not stupid or something.

    The year out is a regular feature of getting a 'good' TC as opposed to 'any' TC. Plenty of people on this forum are working in some interim job post-graduation in anticipation of re-applying. This is particularly true for US firms, which seem to take on slightly older/more mature people on average. If it makes you feel any better, even the best people in my year (with insane multiple vac schemes at places like Kirkland, GD, Weil etc) are planning to take a year out just in case they can't convert any of them this year.

    Since it seems that you've identified your problem, work on it! I feel that getting a First overall is a bit of a vague motivator because the classification is awarded right at the end of your degree, but you can definitely frame your motivation as 'good grades = TC' or something (it's simplistic but it works). I'm telling myself that a First in some of my second year modules = success at life (I wanna do a postgrad degree). This is probably not true, but it keeps me going.

    VSs were a rollercoaster for me. I went from 'how can I not get something when I've done so many applications' to 3 post-AC rejections to a couple of VS offers in the space of two days. I'm still waiting to hear on a lot of US firms, but I'll be withdrawing from them soon given that the summer has (somehow) filled up. I guess that the rollercoaster feeling is true of any competitive applications process. You go from feeling cocky at one moment to drawing up a plan B the next.
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    (Original post by JohanGRK)
    Since it seems that you've identified your problem, work on it! I feel that getting a First overall is a bit of a vague motivator because the classification is awarded right at the end of your degree, but you can definitely frame your motivation as 'good grades = TC' or something (it's simplistic but it works). I'm telling myself that a First in some of my second year modules = success at life (I wanna do a postgrad degree). This is probably not true, but it keeps me going.

    VSs were a rollercoaster for me. I went from 'how can I not get something when I've done so many applications' to 3 post-AC rejections to a couple of VS offers in the space of two days. I'm still waiting to hear on a lot of US firms, but I'll be withdrawing from them soon given that the summer has (somehow) filled up. I guess that the rollercoaster feeling is true of any competitive applications process. You go from feeling cocky at one moment to drawing up a plan B the next.
    LOL literally what I tell myself to motive me back. I currently have 2 2:1s in my first sem (low but at atleast they are 2:1s) hoping for higher and for a few firsts. My main motivation tactic is looking at what I need this year to stand a realistic chance at a first. I look at the "grade" chart regularly to use that as motivation (sounds so stupid but sometimes it stops me from thinking its impossible).

    I tried to do as many applications as I could but ultimately just ran out of time and did not want to hand in dreadfully rushed apps in fear of being blacklisted. Congrats on your offers! Hopefully I may get one. Even at the lower end firms I will be happy at the moment. Currently trying to get work experience if nothing else.

    Its frustrating because even at the top unis in the country you are not guaranteed anything as most people try to claim.
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    (Original post by LaLaLucyyy)
    Its frustrating because even at the top unis in the country you are not guaranteed anything as most people try to claim.
    At least you don't suffer from the 'I go to Uni X and firms Y and Z are below me' attitude I've seen... A lot of people in my year started second year with 2:2s, had little experience, and yet thought that they were too good for anything below Pinsent Masons or Eversheds...

    Edit: A trick might be to start off applications earlier next year. A lot of people I know literally ran out of time and submitted 5 or 6 good applications to their preferred firms, which also tended to be the most competitive. They ended up being rejected from all of them. By contrast, the people who simply put more time into writing more applications (to a high standard) ended up getting offers from all sorts of what I consider 'exotic' firms like Davis Polk, Covington, Gibson Dunn etc. Every good application you send increases your chances of getting something! If you have a 5-10% chance of getting into an MC firm (that's what the proportion is), double it by applying to a second!
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    (Original post by JohanGRK)
    At least you don't suffer from the 'I go to Uni X and firms Y and Z are below me' attitude I've seen... A lot of people in my year started second year with 2:2s, had little experience, and yet thought that they were too good for anything below Pinsent Masons or Eversheds...

    Edit: A trick might be to start off applications earlier next year. A lot of people I know literally ran out of time and submitted 5 or 6 good applications to their preferred firms, which also tended to be the most competitive. They ended up being rejected from all of them. By contrast, the people who simply put more time into writing more applications (to a high standard) ended up getting offers from all sorts of what I consider 'exotic' firms like Davis Polk, Covington, Gibson Dunn etc. Every good application you send increases your chances of getting something! If you have a 5-10% chance of getting into an MC firm (that's what the proportion is), double it by applying to a second!
    Yup same here! At my uni you get people who genuinely think if its not CC or Skadden its not enough. Which I fair enough because people have aspirations but if you are "capable" then you need to atleast be realistic!

    Do you think it will be worth applying to TCs this cycle? I`m not someone who thinks its MC or nothing although I would like to work at a top tier firm, I would never rule out some other firms like HSF, NRF, Pinsents etc as they are still amazing and maybe more realistic. Although getting into said firms is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do not think I would want to work for say a high street firm, but thats not because "I am better than them" just more because my aspirations and vision does not align with them.

    What would you say to applying to TCs this year? I do have work experience and hopefully better grades but I am left feeling a little "un-confident" in my abilities
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    (Original post by LaLaLucyyy)
    Yup same here! At my uni you get people who genuinely think if its not CC or Skadden its not enough. Which I fair enough because people have aspirations but if you are "capable" then you need to atleast be realistic!

    Do you think it will be worth applying to TCs this cycle? I`m not someone who thinks its MC or nothing although I would like to work at a top tier firm, I would never rule out some other firms like HSF, NRF, Pinsents etc as they are still amazing and maybe more realistic. Although getting into said firms is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. I do not think I would want to work for say a high street firm, but thats not because "I am better than them" just more because my aspirations and vision does not align with them.

    What would you say to applying to TCs this year? I do have work experience and hopefully better grades but I am left feeling a little "un-confident" in my abilities
    Tough one to answer! One the one hand, you will be able to sit in front of the interview with better exam grades. You'll also be able to show off whatever experience you will gain over the summer outside of formal vac schemes. On the other hand, they may infer bad things from your lack of summer vac schemes for second year, and question your commitment to City stuff in particular. You'll also be blocked from re-applying to the 6 firms that rejected you.

    Maybe a good compromise would be to apply to slightly more achievable firms that you know take a lot of people through direct TC applications... If you get a TC, that's fine - if not, then you've got some good AC/interview practice and feedback off which you can go next season.
 
 
 
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