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    (Original post by erratic_deus)
    Also, your friend should know that UCL isn't ranked that highly in the league tables!
    LOL

    PS. To OP, if you have decent work Birkbeck/Open University are completely fine and recognised.
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    (Original post by TCA2b)
    Ok, what's the "evidence" that it isn't "backed up by", that leads to the conclusion that it's a "dangerous myth"? I'll need a bit more than an infographic intended to convince the gullible.
    The infographic is a presentation of pretty well known research into recruitment. It reflects a large survey of hiring managers - similar surveys show similar results so I would suggest that it is reliable.

    For more anecdotal evidence read every comment on here (or better still websites with an older average age of contributors) from people who are professional recruiters or who are recruiting managers. Outside of law and banking I've not seen a reason to believe that choice of university (as opposed to course) makes a significant difference all other factors being equal.

    I'm not sure if there is an equivalent study here, but there are a number of papers in America looking at the outcomes for people who got place in Ivy league institutions but went to state schools instead. They didn't find any notable difference. Inputs matter....

    Were there to be such a study focused on graduate outcomes my best guess is that (in addition to the areas covered in the graph) the biggest determinants for graduate prospects would be 'A' level grades, ability to pass aptitude tests and accessibility of major employment markets. Correlation is not the same a causation. More highly employable (for grad roles) go to top universities - it's not necessarily the choice of university which gets them into better jobs.
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    (Original post by Appleorpear)
    To OP, if you have decent work Birkbeck/Open University are completely fine and recognised.
    the problem is i know i could get in somewhere else, i'm sure i could get into ucl. but i can't - i have to work full time (can't afford living in london otherwise) and i still want to have some me time, i already studied once full time (over 20 hrs a week) and worked full time and i was half alive
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    the problem is i know i could get in somewhere else, i'm sure i could get into ucl. but i can't - i have to work full time (can't afford living in london otherwise) and i still want to have some me time, i already studied once full time (over 20 hrs a week) and worked full time and i was half alive
    Hey, I've wondered why I never hear of anyone in your position going to Birbeck before. For anyone working lots of hours it seems far better to go to a course where other students are in the same position. I'd also much prefer the type of work available in normal working hours - you might build up a great CV before you graduate.

    What course are you doing? I think most interviews you have as a graduate will be both interested and impressed by your choice.
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    Hey, I've wondered why I never hear of anyone in your position going to Birbeck before. For anyone working lots of hours it seems far better to go to a course where other students are in the same position. I'd also much prefer the type of work available in normal working hours - you might build up a great CV before you graduate.

    What course are you doing? I think most interviews you have as a graduate will be both interested and impressed by your choice.
    business innovation and e-business. i'm an international student and that's why it might seem like i don't know much about some aspects of studying in uk. i wanted to apply for business psychology (undergraduate) but seems like an awful waste of time since i already have BA.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    My friend got into UCL and I chose Birkbeck University of London (simply because it's evening classes and I have to work full time so that I can live in London). He started making fun of me that Birkbeck is for dumb people who can't get anywhere else. I could get anywhere I wanted, I know that, I just know that it would be hard to live in London, work part time and still have enough money to visit family or do anything for fun. I really think Birkbeck is a good uni, after all it's part of University of London? Now I don't know if it was a good choice if I shouldn't have gone somewhere else and just try to balance work/study somehow, I mean others do it why couldn't I?
    Your friend is an *******, he's just spouting crap like people usually do. I firmed UEL without even giving the better unis a chance. I'm going for the EXPERIENCE, not the prestige.
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    (Original post by erratic_deus)
    UCL isn't number one and even if it was, he shouldn't have said a certain uni is for "dumber" students based on a temporary ranking.
    The point you were trying to make was that he shouldn't say birkbeck if for dumb people because UCL isn't that good anyways. When you were proven wrong you changed your argument to 'ranking's don't determine the intelligence of students', when it fact they do.

    Stop being silly
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    (Original post by MR1999)
    The point you were trying to make was that he shouldn't say birkbeck if for dumb people because UCL isn't that good anyways. When you were proven wrong you changed your argument to 'ranking's don't determine the intelligence of students', when it fact they do.

    Stop being silly
    How are you telling me the point I was trying to make.
    Good students come from anywhere.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    My friend got into UCL and I chose Birkbeck University of London (simply because it's evening classes and I have to work full time so that I can live in London). He started making fun of me that Birkbeck is for dumb people who can't get anywhere else. I could get anywhere I wanted, I know that, I just know that it would be hard to live in London, work part time and still have enough money to visit family or do anything for fun. I really think Birkbeck is a good uni, after all it's part of University of London? Now I don't know if it was a good choice if I shouldn't have gone somewhere else and just try to balance work/study somehow, I mean others do it why couldn't I?
    you need new friends, the egalitarian attitude of UCL will knock that arrogance out of him
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    University ''prestige'' only really matters at postgraduate level. Which most undergraduates never reach. Often their own egos get in the way of their own progression.
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    Get some new friends, including some at UCL just to annoy your ex "friend".
    Most people at UCL aren't eejits.
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    University ''prestige'' only really matters at postgraduate level. Which most undergraduates never reach. Often their own egos get in the way of their own progression.
    actually I'll be doing MSc there
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    (Original post by _NMcC_)
    University ''prestige'' only really matters at postgraduate level.
    Why? And source please...
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    Yikes, he sounds like the typical 18-year-old undergrad. It is a pretty narrow way to look at higher education. Flexible education is brilliant. I have had similar issues, I left my predicted AAA at A2 for a year of operations and stints in hospital, I began studying with the OU and people seem to undermine institutions that offer flexible HE.

    Your friend is just naive and young. UCL is a good university, but a degree is a degree. Focus on getting a solid classification and a foot in on the employment ladder.

    Institutions must have chartered status from the privy council to award degrees. I have a family friend who managed to get an LLB through the Open University. He now owns a very successful local law firm. He also only has a 2.2 I believe!
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Why? And source please...
    Well for subjects like Medicine, Law, Vet.Sci etc You are ultimately coming out with the same degree and will eventually become qualified in your respective field. There can be Oxbridge and Liverpool graduates in the same hospital.

    You can't get anywhere in Science without a Ph.D. Firstly you need a good reference from an academic to even get in the door, no matter if you went to Oxbridge or Newcastle. You next need to be motivated, have at least a 2:1 and usually some experience. Being a graduate of UCl isn't that much of a big deal without a solid reference and even some experience when applying for a Ph.D.

    The Ph.D should be with a respected academic who generally are present at what people consider the more prestigious unis (not saying all are).

    For the humanities, I will say that prestige probably matters a bit more simply due to the competition for jobs however its nothing like people on TSR makes it out to be.

    Source: Talking to various Chemistry Ph.D students.
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    (Original post by _NMcC_)
    Well for subjects like Medicine, Law, Vet.Sci etc You are ultimately coming out with the same degree and will eventually become qualified in your respective field. There can be Oxbridge and Liverpool graduates in the same hospital.

    You can't get anywhere in Science without a Ph.D. Firstly you need a good reference from an academic to even get in the door, no matter if you went to Oxbridge or Newcastle. You next need to be motivated, have at least a 2:1 and usually some experience. Being a graduate of UCl isn't that much of a big deal without a solid reference and even some experience when applying for a Ph.D.

    For the humanities, I will say that prestige probably matters a bit more simply due to the competition for jobs however its nothing like people on TSR makes it out to be.

    Source: Talking to various Chemistry Ph.D students.
    So you haven't said why university prestige matters more for postgrads. You've basically indicated it doesn't... (which is the correct answer )
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    So you haven't said why university prestige matters more for postgrads. You've even indicated it doesn't...
    My point is more that prestige doesn't matter at undergrad and only a bit at postgraduate.
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    It doesn’t matter where you go, but rather what you do when you get there.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    thanks! i'm feeling so much better now, i know i shouldn't care that much about what others say but somehow it just got to me... i really want to study and work, i am a bit jealous that he gets so much money from his parents to help him with living costs and he doesn't even have to work (just works part time). jealous is a wrong word in this context but i just wish he never said that, i wouldn't even think about this right now, making myself so sad over something so stupid
    I went to birkbeck. I got my degree despite work in full time and having a young baby to look after. Birkbeck is incredibly highly regarded. You just need to look at some of its lecturers to see that. Go birkbeck!!!!!
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    (Original post by squeakysquirrel)
    I went to birkbeck. I got my degree despite work in full time and having a young baby to look after. Birkbeck is incredibly highly regarded. You just need to look at some of its lecturers to see that. Go birkbeck!!!!!
    Thank you! I'm so anxious about it but I'll be studying MSc there so it's just one year (decided to have 2-3 evenins a week than less and finish in one year rather than two).
 
 
 
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