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It seems each time a white person shoots up a bunch of people, we will hear the inevitable chorus of "If he was Muslim he would have been called a terrorist." We will also get people trying to call the shooter a terrorist, despite him not actually fitting the definition, seemingly in a half-witted attempt to make a statement.

A person who commits an act of terror, or at least appears to have done so, will likely be called a terrorist by the media. A person with a history of mental illness who kills a bunch of people will likely be called mentally ill by the media. It's not rocket science. If it appears white mass killers are described as mentally ill more often, then perhaps it really is the case that they are. We don't know. Instead people will base their conclusions entirely on their subjective interpretations of what they happen to see on the news. This isn't reliable.

Lastly, we have this notion come up that anyone who kills a bunch of people must be mentally ill anyway. To that I say perfectly healthy people are just as capable of doing evil things. Just look at human history.

There is no proof at all that there is a double standard, and I am sick of hearing the unfounded notion that there is every single time.
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Thank you, preach brother.
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oh please, we see the same narrative each and every time. possibly white privilege?
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Mentally ill people who commit mass murders can aren't terrorists. Oh please!
And I'm pretty sure the 'Muslims' who carry out acts of terror are no less mentally stable, they're equally ducked up in the head
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Honestly it’s disrespectful to the victims of the mass shooting to make it about the way muslims could be misrepresented.

Cruz has a history of mental illness and he was known to be dangerous, this is highlighted because maybe something could have been done to stop him. He had extreme views but there is nothing to indicate this was a politically driven attack.

Misrepresenting every killer as a terrorist doesn’t make up for the times that you believe muslims have been falsely labeled as terrorists.
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Mentally ill people who commit mass murders can aren't terrorists. Oh please!
And I'm pretty sure the 'Muslims' who carry out acts of terror are no less mentally stable, they're equally ducked up in the head
The definition of terrorism tells us that for something to be labelled as terrorism, the perpetrator must have a political aim. If NO political aim can be identified, it simply cannot be called terrorism.
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Honestly it’s disrespectful to the victims of the mass shooting to make it about the way muslims could be misrepresented.
This is true.

The OP is bang on as well.
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It seems each time a white person shoots up a bunch of people, we will hear the inevitable chorus of "If he was Muslim he would have been called a terrorist." We will also get people trying to call the shooter a terrorist, despite him not actually fitting the definition, seemingly in a half-witted attempt to make a statement.

A person who commits an act of terror, or at least appears to have done so, will likely be called a terrorist by the media. A person with a history of mental illness who kills a bunch of people will likely be called mentally ill by the media. It's not rocket science. If it appears white mass killers are described as mentally ill more often, then perhaps it really is the case that they are. We don't know. Instead people will base their conclusions entirely on their subjective interpretations of what they happen to see on the news. This isn't reliable.

Lastly, we have this notion come up that anyone who kills a bunch of people must be mentally ill anyway. To that I say perfectly healthy people are just as capable of doing evil things. Just look at human history.

There is no proof at all that there is a double standard, and I am sick of hearing the unfounded notion that there is every single time.
Yes, I fully agree.
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Honestly it’s disrespectful to the victims of the mass shooting to make it about the way muslims could be misrepresented.

Cruz has a history of mental illness and he was known to be dangerous, this is highlighted because maybe something could have been done to stop him. He had extreme views but there is nothing to indicate this was a politically driven attack.

Misrepresenting every killer as a terrorist doesn’t make up for the times that you believe muslims have been falsely labeled as terrorists.
Whatever the motivation there seems to be a growing cancer developing in white american teen males, and anti-Islam apologists seem to be turning these moments on Muslims for some bizarre reason. When there's a lunatic Muslim blowing some place up, the same people slate the entire Islamic community, and as it should be, no one speaks of other forms of maniacs. Let's take this time to understand this fanaticism, and pay our respects to victims and heroes. F*ck Terror!
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Exactly. Thanks for showing some common sense OP.
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There is a double standard, when Islamic terrorists openly tell us why they’ve done it (because of Islam) nobody takes their statement seriously, the media and apologists add possible motives. The majority of Muslims either celebrate, say it was caused by our actions, or think immediately how their lives are going be slightly more inconvenienced and play victim before we have even buried our dead.

When a white mass murderer says racism as a motive, everyone accepts it at face value, the establishment and media focus on the racial group and insist there be real social accountability, laws must be legislated and social reparations made, real genuine attempts to make oppressed group ‘X’ feel safer.
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There is a double standard, when Islamic terrorists openly tell us why they’ve done it (because of Islam) nobody takes their statement seriously
Because ISIS and other terrorists love to take credit for everything. ISIS has taken responsibility for every single major tragedy that's happened in the past year or so. I mean, at this point, I'm surprised they haven't taken credit for me stubbing my toe this morning.

It's hard to take it seriously when no verifiable link can be found between the terrorists and the perpetrator.
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A lot of terrorists behind attacks have been identified as mentally ill but the media has failed to cover it as publicly as when white people commit atrocities such as this. Salem abedi - Manchester bomber ,A alcohol and cannabis addict who was described by one of his teachers as "not okay".Not covered by the media. Omar mahteen - Shooter of 49 people at nightclub declared mentally disturbed. Again not covered by the media. Another statistic over a third of all french radicals are mentally disturbed.

However when a white person murders 17 people in cold blood the first thing you here on the news is his backstory of his horrible life and his mental illness.
I'm not saying that this information isn't useful to why he done it or it shouldn't be mentioned but double standards in the media exist but not to the extent that some people claim
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When a white mass murderer says racism as a motive, everyone accepts it at face value, the establishment and media focus on the racial group and insist there be real social accountability, laws must be legislated and social reparations made, real genuine attempts to make oppressed group ‘X’ feel safer.
Except he didn’t state racism as motive and nothing indicates that it was a racially fuelled attack, as far as we know. This wasn’t a terrorist attack and people making this a discussion about terrorism is inappropriate and disrespectful to the victims. It was a massacre, not platform for people to further their political agendas.
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(Original post by 72nalyomluap)
There is a double standard, when Islamic terrorists openly tell us why they’ve done it (because of Islam) nobody takes their statement seriously, the media and apologists add possible motives. The majority of Muslims either celebrate, say it was caused by our actions, or think immediately how their lives are going be slightly more inconvenienced and play victim before we have even buried our dead.

When a white mass murderer says racism as a motive, everyone accepts it at face value, the establishment and media focus on the racial group and insist there be real social accountability, laws must be legislated and social reparations made, real genuine attempts to make oppressed group ‘X’ feel safer.
Muslims 'celebrate' terrorist attacks? You're either a bigot or a lunatic, hate crimes on the rise endangering the communities you slander after each attack! And I could bet anything they've done more for the victims than you would ever do, I mean of course you're going to ignore the condemnations by basically every Imam in this country, you're going to Ignore the Salafi Muslims, Orthodox believers in Islam, raising money for the victims following Manchester. You're going to ignore the London/every Muslim community center refusing to bury the bridge attacker who they consider to be quote 'a dog from the fire of hell'. I'm not making this into a Muslim things, Idk why you ppl turn every issue into a reason to berate an entire community!
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oh please, we see the same narrative each and every time. possibly white privilege?
Explain to me how this IS an act of terrorism, versus it being the actions of someone who is deranged
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A person who commits an act of terror, or at least appears to have done so, will likely be called a terrorist by the media. A person with a history of mental illness who kills a bunch of people will likely be called mentally ill by the media. It's not rocket science. If it appears white mass killers are described as mentally ill more often, then perhaps it really is the case that they are. We don't know. Instead people will base their conclusions entirely on their subjective interpretations of what they happen to see on the news. This isn't reliable.

"A person who commits an act of terror, or at least appears to have done so, will likely be called a terrorist by the media."

You don't think the victims/witnesses of the school shooting/any-other-incident-where-the-perpetrator-is 'mentally ill'.....were in a situation of terror?
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A person who commits an act of terror, or at least appears to have done so, will likely be called a terrorist by the media. A person with a history of mental illness who kills a bunch of people will likely be called mentally ill by the media. It's not rocket science. If it appears white mass killers are described as mentally ill more often, then perhaps it really is the case that they are. We don't know. Instead people will base their conclusions entirely on their subjective interpretations of what they happen to see on the news. This isn't reliable.

"A person who commits an act of terror, or at least appears to have done so, will likely be called a terrorist by the media."

You don't think the victims/witnesses of the school shooting/any-other-incident-where-the-perpetrator-is 'mentally ill'.....were in a situation of terror?
Feeling terror and terrorism are different things. Terrorism is unlawful violence to promote a political agenda. As horrible as what happened was, there’s no clear political motive.

The victims felt terror, but weren’t involved in a terrorist attack.
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(Original post by cat_mac)
Honestly it’s disrespectful to the victims of the mass shooting to make it about the way muslims could be misrepresented.

Cruz has a history of mental illness and he was known to be dangerous, this is highlighted because maybe something could have been done to stop him. He had extreme views but there is nothing to indicate this was a politically driven attack.

Misrepresenting every killer as a terrorist doesn’t make up for the times that you believe muslims have been falsely labeled as terrorists.
There's no disrespect in having broader social conversations about it. People who've survived the attack are on twitter talking about it and going viral.

The fact that the current rhetoric is that islamist terrorists do it out of their religion and that theyre mentally sane, but every white lunatic who shoots up schools is just mentally insane is a perfect example of how society forgives white criminals more easily.

"mental illness" isnt even something we know for sure. What illness is it? We do not know. This is an adult man who's got full responsibility for what he did.

The only disrespect here is dismissing it as a "man with mental illness" and carrying on. There are plenty of people who grew up in social situations similar to him and have had mental illnesses who arent going to shoot up schools. The stigma on mental illness will only get worse because of idiots using it as a scapegoat to avoid talking about the real issues such as America's gun laws.
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Feeling terror does not necessarily mean it’s a terror attack. A bunch of teenage yobs egging your house every night would make you terrified, but isn’t a terrorist attack is it?
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